The Athiest Thread

[TerminatorCortez]

Reread the verse John 3:16 please. It gives the implication that those who do not believe in him WILL perish.

I did read it, everyone who dosen't believe in God, Jesus Christ will perished but God shows mercy. Why should good man die for being born in a different religion. He showed mercy for the people of Niveneh in Jonas's book because a lot of good and innocent man lived there.

The God of Abraham is good, he dosen't enjoy destroying human lives.

This message was probably for the Jewish people who refused to believe in the Christ and refused to accept as the Christ after all the miracles he did.

 

[UnseenWombat]

SeraphimJester, Actually there are some Christians who believe all will be saved.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Universalism

I'm not sure if Cortez subscribes to this view or not. Personally, I believe in the view that C.S. Lewis held, which I think is philosophically called inclusivism. There are several verses which support it:

Jesus said, [Paraphrase]"He who is not against me is for me." [Original]"for whoever is not against us is for us." (NIV) Gospel of Mark 9:40.
Jesus said, "Everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but those who blaspheme against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven." Luke 12:10.
The Apostle Peter wrote of God: "He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance." 2 Peter 3:9 (NIV)
"That was the true Light which gives light to every man coming into the world." John 1:9 Similarly Titus 2:11 says, "The grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men."
God loved the entire world and Jesus came to save it, not condemn it (John 3:16, 17.)
"Then Peter opened his mouth and said: 'In truth I perceive that God shows no partiality, But in every nation whoever fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him." Acts 10:34-35

 

[SeraphimJester]

SeraphimJester, Actually there are some Christians who believe all will be saved.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Universalism

I'm not sure if Cortez subscribes to this view or not. Personally, I believe in the view that C.S. Lewis held, which I think is philosophically called inclusivism. There are several verses which support it:


Jesus said, [Paraphrase]"He who is not against me is for me." [Original]"for whoever is not against us is for us." (NIV) Gospel of Mark 9:40.
Jesus said, "Everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but those who blaspheme against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven." Luke 12:10.
The Apostle Peter wrote of God: "He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance." 2 Peter 3:9 (NIV)
"That was the true Light which gives light to every man coming into the world." John 1:9 Similarly Titus 2:11 says, "The grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men."
God loved the entire world and Jesus came to save it, not condemn it (John 3:16, 17.)
"Then Peter opened his mouth and said: 'In truth I perceive that God shows no partiality, But in every nation whoever fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him." Acts 10:34-35

That may be true wombat, but this brings us back to the point about self-conflict existing in Christianity and its followers. There's so many different branches of Christianity that contradict the other in several ways which leads me to believe that it's not credible to me.

A prime example are these verses that you've just posted which contradicts the one I stated, derived from John 3:16. So many contradictions.

 

[Lasercakes]

1.Well is like, the pretty litle nit thing in life, everything to life exist , if you look deep in the formation of life and the planet itself, is all about the minimal things that need to happen to life exists we need the rigth sun, mon,distance of the sun,quantittation of oxigenio, thing that are to especific to be simply "luck"

It's not luck. We are only here to observe our surroundings because our environment allowed us to exist in the first place. In a universe with trillions of stars at least one planet had all the conditions perfect which allowed consciousness to form. Luck is the wrong way to look at it. Intention is also the wrong way to look at it.

 

[UnseenWombat]

That may be true wombat, but this brings us back to the point about self-conflict existing in Christianity and its followers. There's so many different branches of Christianity that contradict the other in several ways which leads me to believe that it's not credible to me.

A prime example are these verses that you've just posted which contradicts the one I stated, derived from John 3:16. So many contradictions.

And you see that I too quoted John 3:16. There are some things that are open to interpretation. However, the real point of my post was to get you to see that you shouldn't have been so quick to flip out on Cortez.

And yes, there are a lot of conflicts over, mostly, trivial stuff. However, we are all very similar on the core principles. Mere Christianity, like the title suggests, outlines what those are. Aside from some sexist philosophies that were prevalent in the 40's, what's in there is pretty much what most Christians believe. If you guys want to get mad at me for posting a "hippy article" that supposedly doesn't grasp what atheists believe, a similar explanation of what you believe (with respect to morals and purpose in life, etc.) would be appreciated. Because all I seem to be getting from this thread is that you hate Christianity. (That's why Suphy originally closed it until someone cried real hard about it.)