Self Defence, or Murder?

Self defence, or murder?

  • Self defence

    Votes: 13 35.1%
  • Murder

    Votes: 14 37.8%
  • Other

    Votes: 9 24.3%
  • Don't know

    Votes: 1 2.7%

  • Total voters
    37
It's so simple though... it is pure survival mode. Just like Greatone said, i dare you to be held at gunpoint, only injure the guy and see him moving later. You are going to shoot, you have absolutely no idea what he is gonna pull when he is wriggling around on the floor. Still a perceived threat...THREAT NEUTRALIZED.
 
Even if they weren't killed making them "live through hell" is a cruel and unusual punishment.

In this case they'd be pedophiles or kid beaters, in which case they have fucked up an innocent kid's life (or multiple) during many years and for many years to come.

So it doesn't sound like a cruel treatment to me.

If pedophiles want to be cured, they can probably seek an expert *before* touching a kid.
Kid beaters are probably just hopeless.


By the way, this subject is depressing and rather tiring for me heh, I don't know for you Page.
If anyone is interested, there's a documentary that was made in Québec about pedophiles and kid beaters. The name is "Les voleurs d'enfance", but I don't remember if it has been translated in english or if there's only a french version.
That documentary is the reason why I see things that way.

Les voleurs d'enfance means The robbers of youth.
 
Considering the way you've framed the argument from the git-go black, most people are gonna say murder. if you wanted people to make up their own minds you shoulda just posted the shit objectively.
 
rofl, it's kind of funny how people are uneducated on this.

First shot was actually not even in self-defence. As per according to Canadian law(and probably American, not sure tho), you can only use equivalent force in order to defend yourself against an attacker. So let's say I attack you with a baseball bat, you can only do as much damage to me as I could theoretically do to you with a baseball bat, or until I surrender myself to a citizen's arrest/local authorities/whatever.

This man shot an unarmed man who was an accomplice to a man holding a firearm. If he had shot the man WITH the firearm, that would be self-defence, but in this case he used overwhelming force on an unarmed threat (a warning shot would've been a-okay tho). By then, that already wasn't self-defence anymore but simply a case of overwhelming force. When he came back, that's second degree murder (or whatever you yanks call unpremeditated murder). Was it done in cold blood? Yes. But it was done in a situation where the man was still shaken and not thinking clearly or in full capacity of reasoning. In Canada, that would amount to around 5 to 10 years in prison, with parole eligibility after about 2 years.

So no, it's not self-defence. As soon as he shot at an unarmed man, it went straight into an assault, and then it went to murder. Simple as that, and the law is quite clear on it.

Also GATOR, that thing about the robber suing the home owners is actually a urban myth and a mixture of many cases. There HAVE been cases where a burglar put assault charges against home owners because, just like right here, there was an overwhelming amount of force used (you can SHOW overwhelming force however, as long as you don't ACT on it). Most of the time the cases are dismissed pretty quickly tho since the judges usually just go "you deserve it son, next time don't burglarize people and you won't get shot in the balls".
 
rofl, it's kind of funny how people are uneducated on this.
So no, it's not self-defence. As soon as he shot at an unarmed man, it went straight into an assault, and then it went to murder. Simple as that, and the law is quite clear on it.

But the fact remains that there was no way for him to know the man was unarmed. It's not like the clerk went looking for trouble, those guys came into his establishment, so given the heat of the moment and all it's hard to say how anyone would react.

You have the benefit of all the facts, you have the benefit of looking at the situation in hindsight and you have the benefit of watching the whole scenario unravel from a thousand miles away in your comfy chair.
 
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