Looking And Waiting For Something Special?

The name of this thread should be changed to Looking and Waiting for Something to Argue About.

Players win tournaments, but not with characters that are straight up ass. Plus Apprentice is not ass, nor did Kura or Omega come in 1st at EVO/NATS. Stop with the theory fighter.

I also don't see these types of arguments in other fighting games. You don't see anybody trying to grind it out with Dan or Hakan in SSF4. Is anybody winning with Yoshimitsu in Tekken 6? Nope. Why? People realize that they are hot garbage and use someone else.

Plus the tournament format isn't conducive to garbage characters winning consistently. Maybe if the format was single elimination, but not with double elimination giving you a second opportunity to play and with players having the opportunity to adapt and or counter pick.

I wish I could go back and see the brackets for EVO 09, but you also have to consider whether the opponent knows the match up. And in the end, you can only go but so far with characters that are ass. Eventually, you will encounter someone who is better than you, knows the match up, or uses a better character. Pick two of those conditions or all three, and you are already in a bad position with alot to overcome. Why do you think people were pulling Hilde out of their ass if that wasn't the case? Have you seen anyone else do much with Zasalamel since EVO? Nope. Rock? Hell naw. Why? Because people are trying to win.

My primary goal in tournaments is to have fun and support the community, so I try to fuck up people with my favorite character. If my primary goal was to win and my character was ass, then I would do whatever that I could that was within the rules to put myself in the best possible position to win, because in the end, that's what tournament play is all about. Why do you think so much counter picking goes on in Street Fighter? Why do you think Justin Wong switched to Cammy instead of sticking with Rufus against Wolfkrone at NEC? Why do you think Daigo went to Guile against Mago's Fei Long at Canada Cup after Mago broke a foot off in his ass the week or so prior GodsGarden2 which uses a character lock? Because bitches are trying to win and get paid, plus the difference between coming in first instead of second is huge.

Lastly, there's going to be a character or a couple of characters in every fighting game not named Virtua Fighter who just don't have the tools to win consistently. Unless you're developing the game itself, that's not going to change. And unless your character becomes better with some patch or update, then your character is not going to change. Plus people are going to use the top characters in any fighting game, so if you are going to use someone who is ass, then your options are to either seriously outplay your opponent or use a character that gives you a better opportunity to win. You should be doing whatever it takes to win if that's your primary goal.
 
Vincent, are you really trying to prove your point with such a silly Santa Claus example? Really. Anyways I'll just use your logic against Zero effect on you and say that I'm better than you, so whatever. :)

Malice, that post is a primary example of the mentality that I've seen most Americans have and the exact reason why you don't see those characters being used much or people excelling with them, and people tier whoring instead. At Nats and Evo I was hanging out with Kura and Seung Cheul the most and I can tell you they did not have this type of mentality, and they were consistently doing very well against players with Yun and Talim. There's a reason those two Koreans were more skilled at the game than 99% of Americans, and it's not because of race, but their mentality when it comes to the game. Hell Kura was even planning on only using Talim against Thugish in the gf's as well until I convinced him to try his secondary. He had this honor thing about him where he didn't want to use anyone but Talim in that tournament. And as for Kura's bracket at Evo, I don't remember exactly everyone but I will tell you that he defeated Linkrkc, Malek, and myself, along with some other excellent players, using only Talim in that tournament.

It's funny, I even talk with Omega online and even he believes it's possible for someone to win with Mina consistently if they are good enough.

But anyways I didn't care what he would be before, but I really hope that Dampierre will be low tier in SC5 now. :)
 
OOF, I agree with you on the mentality arguments, but that doesn't excuse design flaws. Just because you can overcome the problem, doesn't mean that you can't improve on the design. A more balanced game would also extend the game's competitive life, which would result in a higher quality of play down the road.

BTW- there have been games other then VF where all the chars had the tools to compete- KOF98UM is one of those games, even Kasumi had the tools in that.

Compressing the tiers would improve the game, as would removing poorly-designed JFs and overcomplicated nonsensible commands. Really, there's nothing fundamentally wrong with SC, it's always been bugs and balance that have hurt the game competitively, which is maddening because it feels like wasted potential. Maybe this is just me, but the more I see potential in something, the more frustrated I get when I see that potential unfulfilled, and SC to me has had a lot of unfulfilled potential.

To me at least, the only thing that has kept SoulCal from being a true top tier, perennially respected game, has been the balance issues and bugs of the game. Given the casual popularity of SoulCal, there is no reason why a well-designed SC game wouldn't end up the 2nd most popular tourney fighter in the US. (it won't surpass SF, but it could surpass everything else) That is what I want out of SC5, a great fighter, with great netcode, that people play and enjoy, so I can turn on my PS3 at 5-6am , and find plenty of people playing, and unlike SSf4, actually have fun playing the game.
 
Alstein said:
That is what I want out of SC5, a great fighter, with great netcode, that people play and enjoy, so I can turn on my PS3 at 5-6am , and find plenty of people playing, and unlike SSf4, actually have fun playing the game.
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Not possible. SC5 will have trolls from day one. Every time I go online now (I never play SC4 anymore, so it's rare), that's the vast majority of the online community. Online simply isn't fun unless it's a private invite.
 
I also hate the bad rap that SC4 gets for being buggy. What game doesn't has bugs or glitches? And if there was a console update, then this wouldn't even be an issue.

But people find bugs all the time in other fighting games and no one cares. Find one bug in Soul Calibur, and people lose their shit and say that it's SC3 all over again. Do you hear about the bugs in Tekken 6? Nope. Glitches in SSF4? No one cares. As long as the next game gets the support that it needs, this won't be an issue.

I think the netcode is fine in SC4, but what people really need to do is play the game offline. If people do that, then you will see this game be huge in tournament. Casual players will just stick with online and not do much else. But there are alot of people who are interested in playing Soul Calibur, so who knows what can happen. People all over the net have been talking Calibur since this news came out. I even found the news in the Washington Post. I can't recall the last time any fighting game news making its way there, so if the next game is balanced and people enjoy it, it's going to be big. And if there's an arcade release, it will get rid of much of that negative stigma surrounding this game as well as get the people in Asia back into the game which I would really like to see happen.
 
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