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[IvyFanboy]

no one said we weren't using unorthodox play to beat her. It would just be nice to use the other 80% of our options we normally can try since we have room for err. You can't just spam 44K ftw.

 

[franman]

Actually, i really want to play Carvy again, but like i said, i hate just frame heavy chars. So i do hope that Cervy is at least a bit easier to learn in the next installment.

Cervy has 3 JFs which were done poorly.

1- CH3B:B for the most part I find useless; only time I find it useful is when you want to ring someone out from a distance but then again so can Ch3B 8A+B :/

2- 6A+B:B pretty much gives you the same level of unsafeness to the regular version on block and on hit it doesn't really do much other than give slightly more damage.

3-B+G:B the damage is pretty decent; you're talking 64dmg; however, most of the time the iTS part whiffs leaving you in extreme disadvantage.

I guess getting rid of these maybe one of the ways of making Cervy easier to learn since you hate Just Frame Heavy characters; I'm for that too but I can also go for some fixation upon those three.

I do think that Cervy should have more JFs based on the 214 setup I don't think that will be a problem for you at least. If you can do iGDR, then you should have no problem doing iTS as well as doing any instant 214 +any button. Only exception maybe iTP.

 

[Ooofmatic]

And Oof while I agree 100% with this thought process, I think that it's hard to make a legit case for it based on the fact that it hasn't been done yet. If Kura had gotten 1st at Nats with Talim (and only Talim) or Omega getting 1st at Evo with Zas then that would be real proof.

Lack of proof is not proof either. The fact that it hasn't happened doesn't prove that it is impossible. So it's not like the opposing side has a legit case either.

And to me the fact that Kura got to second using only Talim (he tried other characters only after I told him to in the grand finals) and the fact that Omega got to top 8 with Zas at Evo says enough for me already.

And I don't care about proving anything anyways, I'm just stating my opinion on these matters. I'm not hoping for an imbalanced SC5. I'd rather have it as balanced as possible. I'm just expressing my views on the imbalances that I've learned to appreciate in the past couple of SC games. Maybe I'm just too positive and optimistic for my own good?

 

[KingAce]

Lack of proof is not proof either. The fact that it hasn't happened doesn't prove that it is impossible. So it's not like the opposing side has a legit case either.

And to me the fact that Kura got to second using only Talim (he tried other characters only after I told him to in the grand finals) and the fact that Omega got to top 8 with Zas at Evo says enough for me already.

And I don't care about proving anything anyways, I'm just stating my opinion on these matters. I'm not hoping for an imbalanced SC5. I'd rather have it as balanced as possible. I'm just expressing my views on the imbalances that I've learned to appreciate in the past couple of SC games. Maybe I'm just too positive and optimistic for my own good?

Hardly, I remember my argument with you about VC on caliburforums. You were like, "I want it unban because it gives me a bigger challenge when I fight against it." Something to that degree. So it's just your thinking that I find warped.

Nobody said it was impossible to win a tournament with a low tier character. What we're saying is that it's next to impossible to do it consistently. Character ignorance plays a major role in winning the first few, but even amy and voldo players get read over time, someone using a low tier character with fewer tools isn't as likely to dorminate. This is especially true when the game is 2 plus years old and we know so much about most characters.

You don't need a character to be low tier just to have a challenge getting wins. Pick up Kilik, try and win a tournament with Kilik. He's considered top tier, how many players have dominated with him? Very few, you want to know why? Because he's a counter styled character with a few rush down tools. Kilik is uber defensive outside of his FOTD. So despite what he looks like in practice, most people just don't have the patience or the reaction to make him work consistently.

 

[MONEYMUFFINS]

Nah, totally serious. I've tried to explain this to some people but few actually agree with me.

In a way it helps explain why trying to work a "mind-game" against a random spammer doesn't work. Or when people who don't know about frame traps interrupt your followup move out of major disadvantage.

Basically no fear = no hesitation = no confusion.

I can't believe I have to explain this, but I'm better than you so whatever.

Okay, when I put the opponent into a mixup position, they don't necessarily make a guess out of fear. Sometimes they're so sure of making the incorrect guess that they even feel they're being clever by committing to it. Then they find out they were wrong. That is a mind game.

Also, mind games do not apply to button mashers since they are not playing by the rules of the game. They have no concept of advantage and disadvantage. One must only punish them for not knowing the game. No mind game required.