Game of Thrones Discussion Thread (Books and Show)

SophieChan said:
okay I wanna have a discussion like a legit discussion wtf can we talk about though like everything has been done to death

I guess I'll bring this up:

Aerys II Targaryen (aka the Mad King for you peasants) lusted after Joanna Lannister for some time, even before she had wed her FIRST COUSIN Tywin. Joanna was one of his wife's ladies-in-waiting, and she was near him frequently. Once she and Tywin fell madly in love, Aerys probably got insanely jealous, even though his madness wasn't really apparent yet. Anyway, in A Dance with Dragons, Barristan remembers that Aerys "took liberties" in the bedding of Joanna. This could be anything from some really intense groping/fondling to full on penetration (and not only does he recall that, but he describes Daenerys' eye color as nearly identical to Ashara Dayne's, thus bringing forth another theory, but that's for another time). ANYWAY I'm basically trying to say that Jaime and Cersei are NOT Joanna and Tywin's children, but Aerys and Joanna's.

Why would I say something so ridiculous:
  • Cersei loves fire, she's mesmerized by it. After the last dragons died, every Targaryen yearned for fire. In the show (and possibly in the books) Quaithe says "They [the dragons] are fire made flesh, and fire is power." Not only does fire excite her, it fuels her lust for power. When Cersei burns the Tower of the Hand, she describes the instance as an ecstasy. Cersei was also the first person to think of using wildfire as a defense against a siege.
  • Jaime and Cersei have a mostlymonogamous relationship. Cersei is the only woman Jaime loves. However, in A Feast for Crows we discover that Cersei was in love with Rhaegar, as well. She drew herself and the prince on a dragon for crying out loud! If the theory is true, Cersei will have only felt affection for men within her immediate family, a la Targ tradition.
  • Jaime has prophetic dreams, and the Targaryens have been able to use magic to some extent in the past (Shiera Seastar, Bloodraven, Daenerys, the Dragonlords of Old Valyria).
  • The irony of Tyrion, a monster in most people's eyes, being Tywin's only son would be priceless
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My GOD okay
Well first off, as Quaithe says, fire is power, and regardless of whether it's fire or not, Cersei has a lust for power in any way she can get it, so perhaps she has some sort of affiliation with Fire because she knows fire is powerful and destroys. Burning the tower of the Hand no matter how she did it would have given her a good adrenaline rush.
Jamie and Cersei's relationship would also kinda make sense then since she actually compares their relationship to the Targaryens, but also everyone seemed to be in love with Rhaegar, even his best friend. Targaryens also TRADITIONALLY marry in the family but there's a lot of cases where they've married out of the family, like Dany with Drogo (Despite being forced in to it she grew to love him), Rhaegar and Elia, and I know there's more past Targaryens who did but I don't remember off the top of my head.
A lot of characters seem to have prophetic dreams, now if they were actual dragon dreams that would be another story
Lol Tyrion the last true Lannister.

THAT'S MY TAKE ON IT the theory actually sounds like it would be pretty plausable, but I also don't think Cersei and Jamie really have any Targaryen characteristics physically, they both have gold hair and green eyes.
 
It could add another reason Aerys wanted to keep Jaime close, and didn't allow him to fight, but that's conjecture.

I don't think it's true though - Only one of Jaime's dreams seemed to've been especially prophetic, and he was using a Weirwood stump as a pillow at the time. Also, as Seren said, none of the physical Targ traits were past down.

However I do like the theory, and if it turns out to be true I would damn well love it. As it is I think the whole Fire = Power thing is because fire is a common and important element to the series.
 
Le_Bello said:
Also, as Seren said, none of the physical Targ traits were past down.
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The Targaryens married brother to sister because not only was it their custom, the rest of the world saw them as gods among men with their silver hair and purple eyes. Those two traits are extremely rare and going by ASoIaF biology, it would be recessive in a Baratheon-Targaryen union (Rhaelle Targaryen + Robert/Stannis/Renly's Grandfather Baratheon). So, with a Lannister-Targaryen union, it would seem the Lannister traits would be passed down as well. Golden hair is darker than Targaryen silver, and green is much more common than purple.

SorceressSeren said:
My GOD okay
Well first off, as Quaithe says, fire is power, and regardless of whether it's fire or not, Cersei has a lust for power in any way she can get it, so perhaps she has some sort of affiliation with Fire because she knows fire is powerful and destroys. Burning the tower of the Hand no matter how she did it would have given her a good adrenaline rush.
Jamie and Cersei's relationship would also kinda make sense then since she actually compares their relationship to the Targaryens, but also everyone seemed to be in love with Rhaegar, even his best friend. Targaryens also TRADITIONALLY marry in the family but there's a lot of cases where they've married out of the family, like Dany with Drogo (Despite being forced in to it she grew to love him), Rhaegar and Elia, and I know there's more past Targaryens who did but I don't remember off the top of my head.
A lot of characters seem to have prophetic dreams, now if they were actual dragon dreams that would be another story
Lol Tyrion the last true Lannister.

THAT'S MY TAKE ON IT the theory actually sounds like it would be pretty plausable, but I also don't think Cersei and Jamie really have any Targaryen characteristics physically, they both have gold hair and green eyes.
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Everyone else who was in love with Rhaegar wasn't told by their idol she would marry him, though. Tywin was sure Aerys would agree, but he didn't, and Cersei was heartbroken.

She loved him, but did she grieve for very long? No. I found Dany's love for Drogo sort of based around the fact he could win her the throne.

I agree on the rest, though. The dream thing is a bit of a stretch, honestly.

lET'S TALK ABOUT THE MAGGY THE FROG PROPHECY

A refresher:
Cersei: When will I wed the prince?
Maggy: Never. You will wed the king.
Cersei: I will be queen, though?
Maggy: Aye. Queen you shall be... until there comes another, younger and more beautiful, to cast you down and take all that you hold dear.
Cersei: Will the king and I have children?
Maggy: Oh, aye. Six-and-ten for him, and three for you. Gold shall be their crowns and gold their shrouds, she said. And when your tears have drowned you, the valonqar shall wrap his hands about your pale white throat and choke the life from you.

So both Tommen and Myrcella are gonna die soon. Honestly, I think Cersei will do the deed herself with Tommen, but blame the Tyrells. And thus her Margaery problem is solved. However, she'll be really guilty and probably peak in her insanity.

Daenerys is the younger more beautiful queen, because she's the least likely. Margaery is disgraced, as Cersei is, Sansa isn't even wed yet, and the only one with enough power to come take the throne from under Sweet Cersei is...Dany!

Valonqar is Jaime. You're kicked out of the fandom if you think otherwise.



LET ME ADD THAT TYRION WANTS TO RAPE AND MURDER CERSEI WHEN DAENERYS TAKES BACK THE SEVEN KINGDOMS HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HELLLLLLL NO YOU LITTLE ANGSTY MIDGET BITCH I WILL ACTUALLY KILL MYSELF AND GRRM IF THAT HAPPENS
 
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