Dead or Alive 5 Ultimate

Xernuht said:
Sidestep. Tenku T doesn't track, and the guard break from the lead-in strings do not give enough frames to make it guaranteed.

Actually, nothing from Tenku is a tracking move. Tenku K has some wacky re-tracking, but only if you're lucky.
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Cool, I'm actually rolling to get away from Tenku now. Occasionally catching Tenku attempts mid jump. 3H+K has a very vertical hitbox.

So some thoughts on Marie Rose after a few games and a 12/13 game win streak.

I don't think Ayane is going to be too much of a problem for her. MR's OH game is actually decent enough, or at least on par with, Bayman's and Leon's that its enough to keep Ayane honest, but that doesn't mean that Ayane will lose out on her great range. I don't think Jann Lee will be too much of an issue for MR, either. Yeah, his keep out is strong, but MR has many ways to get in, so this isn't an issue for her. I think characters with strong rushdown are going to be trouble for her, or characters that have enough fakes and mix-ups that can overwhelm her rather slow and semi-decent footsies. So I think Sarah, Pai, Zack, and Brad are going to be challenging for her to deal with. I don't thin Lei-Fang will pose too much of an issue, despite the punch focus of MR, as MR's P+K is actually quite good at shutting down a few of Lei-Fang's options. I'm not to sure on Hitomi, but I think Rig could be an issue. Christie is definitely an issue to anyone with short range like MR. I'm not too sure on anyone else yet. In general, she might have trouble with Hayabusa or Kasumi; grapplers like Tina, Bass, Bayman and Leon could be an issue too.

I think MR's great strengths lie in her ability to get in through a number of different ways and her safety. I think she's weak in the footsie department, lacks some solid mix-ups (too many slow mids, and highs, not enough good lows). Her advanced holds could be a lot better (especially her high and mid punch), her throw game is a bit weak, though she has really good throw range, I still feel it's below Kokoro's.

Anywho, I think she's a solid mid-tier character... maybe upper mid. There's nothing extraordinary about her, but she has a few strengths that are really good, and few short-comings that hurt her overall, but it doesn't feel major and it doesn't feel like she'll suffer too much. More time with her will discover what she's capable of.

Oh, and she's not linear. H+K and 4PP are generally enough to keep steppers honest.
 
0VincentRayne0 said:
i wanna know how come Marie gets holds that do okay damage with guaranteed follow ups while Pai gets holds that do shit damage and only has 2 holds that give guaranteed followups? i heard that Marie and Pai had a lot of similarities and i agreed when she first came out. but now i don't see it at all. Marie does a LOT of damage off of pretty simple combos. i don't even play her but i know a beginner combo that's a launcher and does about 1/3 of health damage.

also i find that marie is extremely hard to slow escape from. if anyone she feels like Kokoro with guaranteed options instead of guessing constantly. (I feel like i've said this already :P)

but on another note, i've tried picking up akira. using stick like i do for Pai but unfortunately the way my joystick is (rotates on a square) i'm finding it hard to do several inputs that i can easily do on controller. but i can't do his one frame knee on controller with the way i play on pad. but i can do the knee easily on stick. so i'm conflicted. he's still fun to play though. so i've been back on Momiji. still trying to climb over that wall i hit with her that i feel is the reason people dropped her and the reason why intermediate and high level play of her is seen about as much as seeing a Ferrari driving down the road of an old town. most people just rely on her brain dead pressure (6PKK). I'd worry about finding a way to get out of it but i never see Momiji players offline. and online tactics would work fast enough i think due to the slight lag. but i want to show people that momiji is more about that repetitive string to apply pressure. i want to show people how to open up defenses with her. i want to show people how good her potential is if you adapt the right play style. but i'm gonna need more practice. will do so this saturday.


-end late night rant
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Marie Rose isn't a 9 frame jabber thats plus or neutral (which is effectively plus for most of the cast) on every thing.

Pai is set up in DOA so that every action allows her to continue attacking, and to hell with whatever the enemy wants to do because it can take a backseat to her demands. Stuns after throws, okizeme pressure after hard knockdowns, advantage after block, whatever.

She doesn't get a lot of guarantees, but considering she dictates absolutely everything else, why in gods name should she?
 
Rikuto said:
Marie Rose isn't a 9 frame jabber thats plus or neutral (which is effectively plus for most of the cast) on every thing.

Pai is set up in DOA so that every action allows her to continue attacking, and to hell with whatever the enemy wants to do because it can take a backseat to her demands. Stuns after throws, okizeme pressure after hard knockdowns, advantage after block, whatever.

She doesn't get a lot of guarantees, but considering she dictates absolutely everything else, why in gods name should she?
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Ding ding ding.
 
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