Critical Edge: A Brief History of Banning...

[Destinizish]

I get that CAS restrictions are already part of the ruleset for logistics reasons, but that does not change the fact that the discussion ultimately ended up at balance, where a relative few can actually confirm it. Just because it's a counter-argument doesn't make the ban any better, especially since it stinks of "We know better than you" in a time frame where creativity and experimentation should be encouraged within the scene.

... What?

The counter argument based on the French players was ONLY brought up because proponents of DJ talked about balance first. The ban isn't about balance. It never was, it never will be. However, if you're not going to let the balance point go, some people are going to argue it back. They aren't representative of the reasoning used for this ban. Read my above post. (Before I responded to you)

 

[Dr. Hates]

Confusing the issue and beating up this balance straw man was the entire point of the post, I fear. =(

 

[d3v]

This is primarily an extension of our general rule against allowing CaS characters, again for logistical reasons. Most of the history in the original post is outright fabrication.

Of course, if we do get official DLC we'll still probably end up revisiting the notion of whether or not DJ should be allowed due to balance issues. I'm trying to think of a good analogy for 2D games...Imagine, say, Eddy from GGXX dropped into the middle of SF4, largely unchanged. It's at least cause to pause and debate whether that's a good idea.

Closest to that would probably be Pet Shop from JJBA who, not only turned the game into horizontal shmup, but could ToD you with meter. It was never banned though (although some players did "soft-ban" him).

Then, there were the giants in TvC. Made the game play totally differently, but they were never banned at EVO. When some folks did decide to ban them in a side tourney, the rest of the community at SRK called them out and the organizers did admit that the ban wasn't legit. In any case, their matchups were ST style ones, they'd dominate some of the cast, but then get dominated by others.

You can't compare the 2D community to this game. Tekken doesn't have any broken crap like SC has either. UMvC3, very different game, apples and oranges as far as balance. You can die in 1 hit by some chars (and now it's even harder to do this) but you have 2 more. SC4 Hilde was just......something else, that's all I'm gonna say

SC community is not ban happy, it's just that this community, we seem to be the only game to get broken chars

Makoto could kill any character off one touch in 3rd Strike. But neither she, nor the combo were banned. Then again, she wasn't even top tier (top 3 or 4 maybe, but not better than Chun and Yun). Speaking of which, Chun and Yun shit on every one of the cast for most of that game's competitive life, and they were never banned.

And then off course there's Marvel vs. Capcom 2 - arguably the most broken fighting game ever made. Only 16 out of 56 characters were truly tournament viable and out of those 16, 4 were so dominant that almost every team had them. The game is so full of bugs and glitches that to this day, new ones are being found (shoultzula just discovered a new Sentinel assist flight cancel glitch that gives the robot even more options). Yet at the same time, the game is considered one of the deepest, most competitively viable games out there and at the same time, is celebrated for it's brokenness.

 

[Futabot]

... What?

The counter argument based on the French players was ONLY brought up because proponents of DJ talked about balance first. The ban isn't about balance. It never was, it never will be. However, if you're not going to let the balance point go, some people are going to argue it back. They aren't representative of the reasoning used for this ban. Read my above post. (Before I responded to you)

I'm not faulting FR for responding to a topic because it is a reasonable reaction to an argument, but overall, any statements to the degree that a character is broken is just bad talk in general at this specific time frame, no matter who started it. They were damned when the point came up, honestly. People are going to carry away the balance part of the discussion more so than the real reason, which is uniformity and dealing with CaS in general.

I think it would have been better to actually be a dick and say, "He's in CAS, end of discussion".

 

[Swimming_Bird]

So here's a question...what if Edgemaster and Kilik have access to D.Jin's moveset?