ValentineKnight
[01] Neophyte
or we could make the stage random...
Abusive moderation on this site
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[09] Warrior
Hey hey hey... we won more than 1 cup during that time :) And I have a good feeling about thsi year (as long as marty doesn't allow 5-7 goals every 3rd or 4th game o.O). More importantly we can score this year!! YAY!! lol. I want a Devil Sharks cup this year (ohh...and Marty B. is BROKE..lol).
So I don't get the argument really right now. Is it that people want there to be a ban...or just to find a way to make it so people don't hate hilde and algol as much? (personally I don't have any issue at all with algol. There are ways around his bubble spam. And from what I've seen the people who I feel are better with him don't bubble spam until they are about to lose a match anyway at which point they end up losing said match anyhow). As for Hilde I personally believe in best out of 3 match rules where round 1 is random...round two and three are loser's choice. That way if you can win your random round against a Hilde you'll be guaranteed either a round 2 win or a round 3 cage match ..which should get ride of a lot of the "I HATE HILDE" problems. That is me assuming the issue is people hating her ringouts rather than the damage. Cuz other characters can do that kind of damage, she is just the only one that has that kind of ringout ability.
And as miko said WAY early in the thread.. I personally like the challenge of playing against a hilde player. Makes the game have a more chess-like david v. Goliath feel to it. And its lets you taunt after a win without feeling bad about it. Personally I've never played a hilde of Ceirn's calibur (haha...sigh) so I havn't seen the extent of the issue. But then again, I know most people haven't. I have no problem with hilde's that I have played, sure I get "fuck that" rung out a few times, but I win overall anyway.
the ball WOULD be in Namco's court (err..rink..err..motherboard??) if it weren't for the fact that they don't run the tournements. To take past analogy, it is the NHL that runs the "tourney" that pays the winners (technically its the team..but NHL pays for the TV coverage..I won't get into it..lol)..etc etc. Just as it is the tourney sponsors that do those things for SC4..not Namco. Namco is the (whomever created the game of hockey back in the day) who has let thier "game" pass on to others to be changed and what not. Unfortunately the problem is that we can't just code the game differently on our own so that ,say, Hilde's B charge doesn't pick up anymore (I think this is too harsh of a change though) or that her charge A doesn't tc, impact, and all that..or at least make it so the B charge doesn't pick up after it (this is a fair change...doesn't destroy her at all..just takes away the doom combo). But again...we can't do that so we have to wait for namco to help everyone out with a patch (that will more than likely either never come or won't come for a long time).
Which leaves us back at the point of ppl running the tourney listening to the "public" as to what should be done. Regionals are before evo right? (right?) well then honestly all that can be done is to wait and see how things play out at this tournement and take the issue from there. (the regional winners are the only ones that can enter that anyway right? or am I wrong about that..either way...the ppl that are "important" for that tourney..unlike evo..are the regional winners anyway, and they are not about to not go just because of there being hilde or whomever being used at the tournament). Take the argument about tournemnt bans or WHATEVER after this big event occurs...not before.
Or am I wrong and this is a complaint about not wanting to go to little "gatherings" because of this? If that is the case then ..well.. just be nice about it and maybe ask the person playing hilde to use a different character every other match with you just the toe sake of "fun" (which is what the gatherings are about in a large part).
Online I won't even bother talking about... all I'll say is my LORD is her B charge linear..lol
I understand the issue...nobody will supposedly go to an event like evo to throw down 20-30 dollars or whatever with a mental notion that they will lose anyway (of course..think about it..these are probably therefore the same ppl that would be losing to a good mitsu with rushdown moves or a good cervy or a good WHOMEVER anyway...). But seriously you have to wait for a big event to happen before any of this talk should or can come to fruition.
Now...if the isuee is about the mods being annoying by closing threads then you have to realize this site is run by them. It is not a democracy. Yes..the people who come here keep it alive, but the mods are the one that run it and so you kinda have to deal. the site won't close because your one hot-button issue is getting short-changed so they can get away with deleting the thread. If there are a LOT of these threads..then they have a right to close them (and an obligation too really..as long as they are civil and point you to where it SHOULD be posted). If they are closing all of them PERIOD..then they are kinda being uncool about the issue, but again, you kinda have to deal with it.
Hell though, I probably don't have a strong enough opinion on this to be ranting on this thread though. I'm just a guy on the sidelines looking at two latino chicks going at it at the laundry mat who understands both chick's position but still doesn't understand completely why it must lead to a bitch-fight. (sorry for the slightly stereotypical analogy...but then again slightly stereotypical usually is another way of saying "actual").
Anyway, Short:
Abusive moderation=bad..but have to deal.
Closing thread: not bad unless done without a good reason and proper notification/re-direction
Algol: Homosexual urges towards his own son (who was a CaS of sig? LAME), but his cum-ball- blaster ain't broken.... although wait until after reg. to decide about it (personally don't find it an issue)
Hilde: Closet lesbian who feels depressed becuase they don't have t
he surgery necessary to remove her mole so she takes it out on everyone with her "doom" combo which, until a big tourney has happened, can't "fairly" be removed from the game (p.s- she is probably vegan too)
Who is in control of the banning? Those that run the tourney. They will take input, but in the end its there choice...not namco (unless they patch the game...like they'll put in the time and effort...)...not the "top" players...not even the "unruly masses."
What should we do in the meantime? Practice against hilde. Practice against algol. Learn how to counter them or whatever. Go get some good chinese food in San Fransisco (if you live in NY you eat chinese too..midwest/texas/etc..you are fucked for chinese so don't bother) go out on a date with your girl and just enjoy yourself instead of carign so much about an issue that needs a little more time to flesh its self out.
P.S - would people consider yoshi broke if someone was able to find a way to get his 4A: series just down to the point he could ring someone out from anywhere? So that any launch would equal death? What would teh argument be there? That he was using an infinite? At which point how many times (compared to hilde's rehits with the same move) would be it be considered "legal" for him to use the move until he was "cheating." There is an obvious difference in the skill of doing that and hilde's rather easy (not super easy..but its not THAT hard really once u get the hang of it..) doom combo.
Serge2HOT4U
[09] Warrior
In the NHL there were actually attempts at changes between 1995 an 2004. I remember hearing about many different ideas, but the truth of the matter is that nothing got accomplished till the NHL owners and players associations fucked themselves with their collective bargaining agreement (so people were "dealing with it" when "things werent that bad").
With people not really giving a shit about hockey to begin with, they needed to make sure that the fans were excited after an entire year off - and that came with rule changes that i mentioned above.
Now, the NHL handles shit swiftly (See the Sean Avery mention above).
Yes, it was the NHL in charge of making these changes, but for the fans who make them money. In this sense Namco isnt the NHL - we are, because we get to set the rules (heck, even that G4 tourney was run under our conditions if i recall correctly).
In the NHL now everyone is making more money since the fans are back into it. But you see, in games we have the distinct feature of being both fan and player, and a loss of fans here is like a NHL team folding due to poor attendance or ratings. Sure, you can say who the fuck is gonna miss the Phoenix Coyotes or the New York Islanders, but then many more will follow suit.
But yeah, the NHL actually proved a really interesting saying i recently heard:
"It's easy to stand up and act in a crisis, I mean when you are at your lowest point - you dont wanna stay there and there is nowhere to go but up. It's much harder to stand up against mediocrity, since in mediocrity some might be comfortable and might actually have to risk something."
Or as i hear in a mack book - "Nice guys don't finish last, they rot in middle management"
With people not really giving a shit about hockey to begin with, they needed to make sure that the fans were excited after an entire year off - and that came with rule changes that i mentioned above.
Now, the NHL handles shit swiftly (See the Sean Avery mention above).
Yes, it was the NHL in charge of making these changes, but for the fans who make them money. In this sense Namco isnt the NHL - we are, because we get to set the rules (heck, even that G4 tourney was run under our conditions if i recall correctly).
In the NHL now everyone is making more money since the fans are back into it. But you see, in games we have the distinct feature of being both fan and player, and a loss of fans here is like a NHL team folding due to poor attendance or ratings. Sure, you can say who the fuck is gonna miss the Phoenix Coyotes or the New York Islanders, but then many more will follow suit.
But yeah, the NHL actually proved a really interesting saying i recently heard:
"It's easy to stand up and act in a crisis, I mean when you are at your lowest point - you dont wanna stay there and there is nowhere to go but up. It's much harder to stand up against mediocrity, since in mediocrity some might be comfortable and might actually have to risk something."
Or as i hear in a mack book - "Nice guys don't finish last, they rot in middle management"
ValentineKnight
[01] Neophyte
No I wasn't just didn't know if the stage was random(I think it should be)