THE MAIN REASON WHY PEOPLE ARE STUPID
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Norik
[14] Master
What are you trying to say with this? Do you even know what that word means? I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and hope you're using an incorrect definition, unless you're trying to invalidate your own opinion, of course.
If you think your opinions are facts and won't change your mind at all, despite being provided with evidence that proves your beliefs to be wrong, then why even engage in a debate in the first place? "I'm right" are the words of a man with no place in academic, theological, philosophical, or scientific discussions. Period. If you're ok with knowing that you're wrong because the fantasy you live in makes you feel happy and immortal and morally superior, fine, whatever floats your boat, but stop rambling on and on about how your lifestyle is the one true way and everyone who disagrees is wrong.
This is why I hate discussing with theists. If you want to live in this fantasy where you live forever and everyone you disagree with is going to suffer, burn, choke, scream, and cry in a place full of fire, burning, torture, and anguish, FOREVER AND EVER, UNTIL THE END OF FUCKING TIME, whatever. But the sheer arrogance and hypocrisy of their arguments is astounding. You've got these scientifically and academically illiterate people who know nothing about the history of their religions insisting that thoroughly educated people with years of experience in science and philosophy are forgetting one of the most important parts of their lives, and if you don't blindly agree with their interpretation of a biased translation of an ancient text, you'll end up unhappy, divorced, prostituted, consumed by drugs, and lost in life. But don't worry, they can help you find THE MEANING OF LIFE, like a wise parent helping a misguided child. Wait, what's that? You think our biases in insufficiently founded? HOW CONDESCENDING OF YOU! YOU ARE SO ARROGANT, I HOPE YOU BURN IN HELL!
“Being ignorant is not so much a shame, as being unwilling to learn.”
― Benjamin Franklin
PS: Your examples of people who "ignore God" are openly Christian pop stars? WTF? Forget secular men like Hawking, Freud, Darwin, Carnegie, Turing, Watson, Wozniak, Higgs, Jefferson (who even rewrote the bible to exclude all of the magical guilt trip bullshit), Warren fucking Buffet, Weinberg, Sagan, George Carlin, even Bruce motherfucking Lee, people without whom the world would be a completely different place today. You could have even made us look bad and used someone like Stalin... but no, your image of us non-believers is Justin fucking Beiber. Good to know you have such a fair (and totally justified) view of the other side.
Pocky-Yoshi
[14] Master
In a nutshell, this is a theist versus atheist debate.
After reading around a bit, it's virtually impossible for them to ever get along. One side sees fairy tales, while the other is solely focusing on expanding how there isn't a God. In general despite being a "theist" due to not studying all the time, I'm considered an absolute idiot to take part of a thread that feels a bit offensive yet informs with proven evidence. I could literally find anything that dismisses anything of religion and Christianity like finding this:
http://www.atheistrepublic.com/blog/lee-m/ten-stupid-things-theists-say
Ironically, this is very true. We say a bunch of stupid things because we weren't as educated due to whatever silly reason. However, certain people lack common sense which is mankind's strongest weapons. Hence why we hold people like Bruce Lee in high regards to evolving.
The only thing a theist like me can do is say in secular terms, "those guys were stupid to make tons of baby mamas because now you're fattening up the Christians who will love the idiots". Proof is I've met people who used to be ex-drug addicts, and fornicators who have tons of broken hearts or relationship problems. If you were to go out and do a survey of what some Christians used to be, you'd find they all had problems. Or you could check this article out:
http://www.orthodoxwriter.com/2012/03/reasons-not-to-fornicate-besides-god.html
This brings me to my next point, imprinting. Using some person's question from yahoo.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100111202438AAgpHxc
Having all that said, there's virtually no way a theist can ever win a debate with an atheist or atheist win a debate over a theist. At this rate, we ought to ask the dead "is there a God"? Ludicrous as it sounds, it's rather hurts to watch atheists be seen as elite intelligent people give theists who are compromised with people who have no proof God exists a hard time. It will never be resolved because one side values emotion and all that stuff, the other rationality and how things work.
Point and case, a person with a good mom and dad who spanked them to follow God is more likely to follow than one who doesn't. An example would be me since I'm imprinted to my parents who showed me love and discipline. Lose those and suddenly an child will try to imprint on anything that takes care of all their needs.
Since I'm a theist, it would be futile to argue like some emotionally sprung theist. All it took was reading a few things online, and I could pretty much do a water down version of what Bruce Lee did: use common sense. Despite that, my fatal flaw would be I'm imprinted to love God because my parents were there.
If I weren't spanked I might have became someone else. And now I leave this thread for it's futile until we all die either by logic or fairy tales as atheists say. However, for a theist like myself, researching isn't so bad when I have to learn of others. Trial and error.
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GranmasGotGame
[09] Warrior
Well, not quite.
I was thinking more along the lines of God can't logically be omnipotent. However you raise an interesting point (or bible verse).
The notion of trust relies on two (possibly more) factors. 1:Fact 2:Experience/Reliability
Fact: If I am to trust in something I must first have some kind of understand of how said thing works. I can't trust that a tire will turn into a bar of gold when I say "alakazaam" because it is physically impossible. The fact that a tire cant change its chemical make up at my request means I can't trust it to do so.
Experience/Reliability: If I am to trust something I must first have some amount of experience with said thing. Suppose I go to a restaurant for the first time and they serve horrible food. I can't trust that they always serve terrible food because I have only been there once; thus I am not fit to judge whether or not they always serve terrible food therefore making any kind of trust I put in that restaurant invalid. Also I gain from experience how reliable certain things are. If I know that my friend will always help me out 20% of the time (yes I know it sounds like a contradiction), then he cannot be deemed trustworthy to help me.
With these two factors we can assign things with a certain degree of trustworthiness. Now to apply these factors to JEEZUS CHRIST OUR LORD AND SAVIOR.
Fact: While this first factor is (kinda) debatable, there is an overwhelming amount of evidence supporting the fact that nothing can be factually proven about God.
Experience/Reliability: Seeing as how this factor (in general) varies from person to person, there
are a plethora of answers that can be given; however, since there are (arguably) no facts about God, any experience of him is based solely on faith which is not an ideal thing when ascertaining whether or not something is worthy of your trust.
Seeing as the notion of God has failed to meet the 1st qualification of that which is trustworthy, it is almost impossible to say that he can be trusted. Even if the second factor was weighted more than the first and can make up for the lacking of the first in quantity, because you believe your experience was God and you don't know it was God, it takes away from the credibility of your experience.
I will attempt to clarify the last paragraph with some examples. Suppose you want someone to paint a picture of you. Guy A is a well renowned artist who's previous work you have seen and think to be fairly good. Guy B you have never heard of and never viewed his work, but he tells you to believe that he can paint a really god picture. In this situation would you choose Guy A or Guy B? In a less metaphoric example, suppose a family member needs surgery. Would you trust a surgeon to handle the operation? Or would you trust God to handle the operation?
Counter___You could make the argument that there have been cases where people recover for no reason whatsoever and that said recovery was given by God. Thus you would trust God.
Re-Counter___I would ask on what grounds to you credit the recovery to God. Since (arguably) nothing can be factually proven about God, any kind of correlation between the two is an act of faith rather than trust
Having said that last sentence, I don't think that faith and trust are one in the same. So the bible verse doesn't quite do itself justice by using the word trust instead of faith. The main message still comes across but it is slightly tainted by using the word trust.
Having introduced faith into this equation, we open up a whole new world of possibilities. We can now have faith in the trust that we put in God (which is what most Christians should technically be doing). I call this faith-trust (creative right?); as opposed to trust-trust. So while you can say "(Have) Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding." What it's really saying (technically)is "(Have) *faith-*Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding."
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*please excuse the grammatical errors
Ishimaru Jinrai
[10] Knight
I believe in both God, and organic's lives ability to Evolve. It's hard to say evolution doesn't exist, when our planet's history is written in the dirt. It's secrets unlocked much later than when the Bible or Koran were written, thus causing contradictions....
I always wondered, if Adam and Eve were made in the Garden of Eden, on the 4th day, then where did the dinosaurs fit in chronologically? At my church nobody would ever really explain that... =P
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On the other hand, I think living a life without "hope" and "faith" is a sorrowful way to live.
One of my friend's younger brother just died 3 days ago of Brain Cancer... He was only 15 years old...
I'd like to think he ascended into a different place, got a second chance at life, or had his subconscious thoughts recorded to exist elsewhere...
To simply live, consume, die, and cease to exist seems like a sad outcome of life to look at. Some of those people who technically are dead for 6 minutes but get brought back to life via hospital equipment, they say it was just like going into a deep sleep...
There in lies the paradox, you can't ask a dead person what happens after they died. You can only speculate, and take a leap of faith.
I guess if you land in that dark abyss....
The last subconscious thought I'll have is....
"I guess I finally know the truth.."
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