The Christians Thread

[UnseenWombat]

That's right, even Jesus admitted that even he didn't know the exact time the end would come. Only the Father knows. He said it would be like a thief in the night though, so we have to be always ready. So living as though it will be soon is a good policy.

 

[Tenchi8]

Honestly, I'm very iffy about religion talks. It's just the same old "suck my dick and be like me religion peeps" that make me fear religion talks. Sure I believe in God and follow the Christian rules, but it's not like I go flaunting around with it. I do me, follow the Christian rules since I was brought by that via my parents.

Sure peeps do other religions, but I'd like to say they aren't getting punished for worshiping differently. And I find this ironic since it appears that no religion is correct imho. I just feel religion talks can be extremely biased and very touchy. I prefer not to get into them but here I am.

All I know is I'm gonna treat religion like music. Everyone has their own preferences...

Yeah. I don't really like religious talks either. Personally, I like to talk about God not merely as a belief, but as an actual person that I have a relationship with, just like a father and his son. I'll only share from my personal experience, in how God has made himself real to me. It's like getting to know your girlfriend. The more you get to know her, the more you learn to love her. If anyone knows about relationships, then that's pretty much all there is to it with God. The rules he has in his word are to spare us uneccesary troubles that this world often throws at us. We can be our own worst enemy afterall. God will help and guide us, but only if we want him to. Otherwise, he'll back off and leave us to our own. He only wants us to freely love him. Free will is an awesome gift.

I don't like talking religion really. But rather, I like to share how great God is to me, like a son would share about his dad being a firemen, or a doctor. God just wants to be actknowledged just as anyone wants to get credited. Or even the game tournament. Anyone would love to get noticed for making the top winners. So I agree with you, on religion talks. It should be more like, "hey, God did this for me, or God did a miracle in my life." The talk just needs to be kept real. And maybe more people can aprreciate it, even if they disagree. I guess...but wherever God's influence is, we should keep in mind the devil's influence is also there to oppose him. It's like the soul swords, it's a constant battle of good vs evil. If I share about God, I know I will meet oppositions. Even the deeds of a superhero is not without oppositions from the super villians. So I won't be ashame to say that I am a Christian, and I have the answer that can be found in Jesus Christ. The bible talks about sharing the good news to the world. That's our calling, as believers. We are messengers. Not enforcers. People are free to accept or reject what we share. If we don't share the good news of Jesus's ressurection than his death on the cross would mean nothing to us believers. It's ok to share your faith in God. Let your personal experience be your great testimony. I'm sure you have an awesome testimony. ^^

 

[UnseenWombat]

Man, I respect you and your religion, but to say your beliefs are better because a bunch of random people with big degrees say so is insulting, especially since you're arguing with people that base their life on proof and experience, not doctrine. Now, let me ask you a question: Could you list ten reasons why you believe Christianity is superior? If not, then there is obviously no point in continuing this argument, since it's just a console war gone big.

I think I did list some reasons in another post, and have defended, for I think about 3 or 4 pages, my belief that Christianity is true. And TBH I'm really not interested in having an argument, as you put it.

Actually Wombat, I was just saying why would anyone leave a loaded gun around toddlers? Plus, Adam and Eve didn't die for a long time after being banished from the Garden.

Then you're missing the point that underlies your own analogy, which I have heard before. We're not really talking about toddlers of course, but two grown people to whom God gave free will. You were saying, whether you realized it or not, that they were incapable of making a wise decision and shouldn't have been entrusted with free will, but there was really no other option, other than for God to not create in the first place, possibly. Or to create a race of robots with no will at all. Speculating on what that might be like is completely fruitless though. We are what we are and to imagine ourselves as something else is meaningless.

To be clear, I wasn't complaining that the Bible is overcomplicated. I was complaining that the complication comes when trying to explain the outlandish claims of the Bible. But to be honest, unless you can reproduce walking on water, a talking burning bush, a magical fruit, a 900+ year old living human being, a talking snake, and 30,000 feet of water I'm going to side with current evidence.

So you're getting hung up on the stories rather than the underlying principles behind them. Maybe that's the problem. You're not seeing the forest for the trees so to speak.

To me, a valid explanation doesn't sound more outlandish the more you simplify it. See: Scalar and tensor perturbations arising in an inflationary braneworld scenario driven by a single scalar field are considered, where the bulk on either side of the brane corresponds to Anti-de Sitter spaces with different cosmological constants. A consistency relation between the two spectra is derived and found to have an identical form to that arising in standard single-field inflation based on conventional Einstein gravity. The dS/CFT correspondence may provide further insight into the origin of this degeneracy. Possible ways of lifting such a degeneracy are discussed.
- I have no idea what the hell any of that means. Maybe something about an experiment that resulted in symmetry on both a quantum and relative level. But if someone simplified it for me I could probably get the gist of it. The gist of religion is to believe in explanations written a long time ago, in cultures we will never truly understand, despite the growth of knowledge and changing explanations due to that growth of knowledge. Honestly, Atheist texts go back as far as 600BC. I highly doubt how they explained things would seem very plausible today either.j

That is why we have so many theodicies that you denounced as complicated hearsay written over the course of 2000 years. You just said that the thoughts on atheism have changed, why would you expect the thoughts on Christianity to stay the same?

 

[SBA]

Let me say this...this thread is not about arguing. Its about Christians discussing their faith and people who are interested in learning more about it to post questions. Grilling somebody over something that your not going to believe anyway is stupid and is only going to make it harder on the people who are interested in learning about Christianity.

So I'm deleting anything that isn't constructive to this thread and I'm going to start handing out infractions if it starts to get stupid.

 

[Ramus]

People are silly, religion IS used as weapon, but this is not blame of all christians , as a christian i recognize that something are indeed wrong, but you don t blame a group for they "leaders" i mean it is not like we agree with every position they take, we just try to do the rigth things, in our concepition anyway