The Athiest Thread

[JDub]

I dont understand what you want from me. I've never shown any bias, I'm not even Christian. I mean, I left this thread open JUST so you can debate and do whatever you like, I havent even been deleting posts in here.

From the Christian Thread:

*puts on cape*
I got this.

Maybe you're not biased towards one group or another but in the least you seem to get a thrill out of censoring for some reason. Maybe I assumed too much. Too early for me to be convinced either way on that subject. So, I'll let you in on my thought process. You had an ethical choice. I see/saw your options as follows:

1. Allow two groups free and open discussion even if under the threat of shutting both threads down if anyone complained.
2. Following the opposing requests of both groups - Censoring for the Christian thread, not censoring for the Athiest thread.
3. Telling the complainers from the Christian thread who you thought were requesting censorship to at least PM or quote the stuff that's so offensive so we can:
a)explain ourselves
b)retract our statement
c)try to find a better way to word the statement
d)prove we require censorship after being shown a good example of what's so offensive
4. Shutting it all down from the get go (which I'm glad you didn't)
5. Run Away!

Not easy but I would have gone with number 1 or 3.

Now,
No one addressed me in clear, certain terms that "Hey, posts like this really offend me and I'll feel obligated to report it if you don't find a way to communicate that I can stomach." I don't even remember exactly what I said that was so offensive. Now I'll probably end up restating the same offensive thing because those upright Christians had to go behind my back. It's not even like we're face to face. They could have just pm'd me. Even being a man in text is too much nowadays. Which brings me to my next point. Sometimes a process that's ugly, frustrating, mind numbing, tedious and unpleasant isn't necessarily bad. And guess what? People who come from completely different worlds are probably going to have to fight with each other and themselves to find some common ground or give up. I don't give up.

Oh shit - just realized I double posted. G'nite.

 

[damn-I-Suck]

You know, at least atheism has a pretty much unanimous philosophy.

Even within the Christian faith, there are several sects. I've seen friendships destroyed because one guy's faith didn't match the other guy's faith. It's petty and stupid; "No, MY interpretation of the bible is correct, yours is WRONG!". One sect takes it literally at face value, the other believes in metaphorical interpretations. Who is right? Neither.

Religion has been the cause of most of the wars of human history.

IF the whole world converted to atheism, at least wars won't be fought over petty metaphysical ideals. Politicians would not be able to sell us this "God told me to do it" crap that George W. Bush said right after he invaded Iraq. Don't try to tell me that religion didn't play a part in that war when I'm literally surrounded by retarded rednecks who spout shit like "let's kill us some Muslim devils!".

In short, religion is a strong factor for bigotry, racism, ignorance, illiteracy, propaganda, and wars. Adolf Hitler himself was a Catholic, go figure right? Personally, I think religion should have died a long time ago, when Darwin wrote his famous book "the origin of species". But no, it didn't go away, because people would rather believe in a 2000 year old book written in a time of virtually no science, than actually be open to innovative ideas like evolution.

"Blind faith" is dangerous. It supersedes logic, defies common sense, and the only way to sustain is to lie to oneself.

THIS is why I have a problem with religion. It causes unrepairable harm to society as a whole, and worse, destroys the individual. The only people who benefit from it are politicians, ministers, and the Pope.

 

[Wandrian]

If you believe religion is something for the ignorant masses, isn't it better that it exists? If religious folk are so backward that they require punishment and reward to do what's right, isn't it better they have that so they don't go running around raping and pillaging?

Even if you disagree with it, religion is not useless.

 

[Sett]

Don't they do that already?


>:D

 

[JDub]

If you believe religion is something for the ignorant masses, isn't it better that it exists? If religious folk are so backward that they require punishment and reward to do what's right, isn't it better they have that so they don't go running around raping and pillaging?

Even if you disagree with it, religion is not useless.

Thank you for accidentally proving my point that religion is useless! If you think religion is a carrot and stick method of modifying human behavior look around. Christian's, I assume, follow Christ and his life as an example. Christ suffered mental anguish, physical pain, and death without once appealing to a higher authority to silence those who mocked him or smite those who spat on him. What just happened in the Christian thread? They appealed to a higher authority to silence those who mock or insult them. Who the what now?