Self Defence, or Murder?

[Plume]

Is that sarcastic? I mean... are you trying to say that only the Military, state officials, etc. have guns in Germany? I find that very hard to believe. Why shouldn't the owner of the store have a gun? Look what happened? Say the criminal did decide to use his weapon... oh shit son, you just got shot in the face because you weren't prepared.

Thisin' aint no liberal overseas tea party son... THIS IS AMERICA! *in best southern accent*

I'd like to see a comparison between the number of armed robberies in the states, and the number of robberies in America.

I doubt that store owners need a gun quite as much anywhere in America as they do in the states.

 

[Hustle_Man_77]

I don't care if he casually walked past him. Everyone thinks differently than someone else, and Im assuming that the guy thought it was best if he killed the kid.

So, that makes it not murder?

Maybe he was really pissed at him for trying to rob him and killed him,

Then he's going to prison. Being pissed isn't really temporary insanity.

I don't know, but im sure he wasn't thinking as logically as you. Not everyone is calm or collected in a situation. And also, the casual walking may indicate that he truly was not in a right state of mind. Look it up, on certain occasions while acting like that in a crisis it signifies that a person may not have a clear understanding of what they are about to do.

I'll give ya that one. That could be argued. Honestly, that would be the only defense that he could use.

The kid committed an illegal act that was bound to get him in trouble, anyways. Robbing comes with many dangers, and that was one of them. It was a mere reproccusion. I don't care if the kid was unarmed, he committed a hostile act toward the man and he should have to pay for what he did.

And he would've paid for it if he wasn't killed.

Also, even if the guy DID kill the kid, it shouldn't be his fault. None of that would have happened in the kids were smart enough in the first place to get a damned job or something instead of trying to steal from a store. The situation placed the man in an uncomfortable state of mind. You can't do that and think completely clearly (Well, not most people anyways).

I honestly don't think he should get a long sentence due to the circumstances, but I don't feel that he should get away with murder either. If the first shot, or any others that were fired before he went outside, killed the kid, case closed it's self-defense. After that, he just wanted revenge.

You couldn't even see the guy's face how can the pharmacist tell if the person was unconscious If he was wearing a ski mask. He could have been faking unconsciousness.

I'm assuming that the camera was on a wall or in a corner, because from that view it didn't look like he could've gone anywhere else. Bullets are very hot when they go into you. It's hard to fake anything after that, even with adrenaline flowing. I'm sure that he knew the kid was out or incapacitated when he walked past him and turned his back to him. Seriously, what retard turns their back to a perceived immediate physical threat?

you cant see it in the vid but homie tried to last stand him, that shop keepers in my cod4 klan, he takes no shit!

I'm mad at myself for laughing at that lol. Thanks for getting me to lighten up over here.

 

[Ghengis_John]

And your comment about that kid is just false, he had rich parents, they cared for him, he went to other clubs, had social activities.....

The fact his parents were rich doesn't necessarily mean they cared for him nor does it exclude the possibility they might have been shitty parents. Which they seem to have been. Their kid was sick in the head and they left him alone? Their kid was sick in the head and he wasn't in therapy? Their kid was grappling with problems and they didn't talk it out with him? Great parents. Maybe they never hugged the kid or they only saw him twice a year, maybe they were there everyday, who knows? But don't equate wealth with good parenting. One look at some of these worthless socialites will show the holes in that philosophy.

I hate to borrow a line from the NRA but, guns don't kill people, people kill people. You see wackos going on killing sprees all the time without the use of guns, using everything from arson, to bombs, to knives, to machetes to samurai swords. If somebody's already imbalanced the gun didn't make them go crazy.

That doesn't mean I'm a fan of guns. I just don't like the way you seem to say "the boy was harmless, until he met the gun, and it convinced him to murder people". It's like you're denying that ultimate fault lies with him. Or for that matter, that in a society without guns nobody ever gets murdered.

 

[Juez]

The story reminded me of this though after the shooting he say a better line.

Back on subject he took out the threat and made sure he wasnt ever going to be a threat again so kudos tom

 

[KowtowRobinson]

I think this would qualify under manslaughter, actually? There's a difference between the two, I think. But it's definitely not self defense.