Self Defence, or Murder?

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Even if they weren't killed making them "live through hell" is a cruel and unusual punishment.

 

[GATOR]

The robber, armed or not, is guilty. His friend was armed and he was using his FRIEND as a weapon to extort, and therefore he was armed by association, knew the idiocy that he was partaking in, and got his shit ruined because of it. Self defense, and the good kind.

Umm.. yeaaaaa... thats NOT how life works..lol..or criminal law.

the second shot is way out of bounds. He had control of the scenario at that point. You'll notice that he casually walks up and kills him, it's premeditated. It's not as though the kid went for a gun or to lash back and was shot in defense.

Definitely murder. The guy had sooo many options to choose and going for a walk up kill is just fucked up. Do i think the kid deserved the first shot? Yes. The 2nd shot? Hell no.

Looks like we got ourselves a clear cut case of murder.

If his defense lawyer is any good, he will make his client take a plea of voluntary manslaughter. If this case goes to trial, he wont stand a chance.

makes the point that violence, however someone justifies it, is clearly against the law, and that the use of deadly force outside of a life-or-death situation will get you brought up on some sort of murder charge. Perhaps to Walker it was worth spending 10 years (the minimum sentence, and he doesn't pose any real threat to society so he'll probably get off) of his life in jail to save his daughter, but that shouldn't change the law.

That walker case is pretty fucked up.. def was murder. But yea, anyway, this was murder no doubt. I don't even think you can say it was manslaughter. Manslaughter is you were driving your car and see someone right before you hit them and your were drunk. Manslaughter is if they were yelling at eachother and one guy drew a gun in anger and fired. The cops and the civilian have the same code on this. A downed dis-armed person is "out" and there is no reason to do anything else to them. This guy was either A: sadistic B: Scared STUPID or C: Angry.

If its A or C then its 100% murder. His attorney will obviously try to say taht he was scared stupid and that because he was untrained in combat or something that the situation made it so he didn't know what was gonna happen and tried to make sure he was "safe" again. But there is NO FUCKING WAY you shoot a guy 5 times while he is on the ground without trying to kill him unless you are shooting him in his knee caps and shoulders to completely fuck-up and disarm someone (And even that is more than likely gonna lead to a conviction or a lawsuit by the person you shot).

Fuck.. anyone ever hear about the story about the guys trying to rob a guy's house but they sued because they got hurt tryin to get in? I don't remember the specifics but the robbers won. If something like that happens then there is NO WAY this wasn't pre-determined murder. The moment you walk away from a hot-zone and return you have left the state of "passion" and go into "pre-conceived" territory.

 

[IgnisPhaseOne]

If you're defending yourself, defend yourself with overwhelming force.

One thing that guy knows; that kid isn't going to be robbing him ever again.

Like school bullies. If you beat them with a lacrosse stick until it's slightly bent, you can be sure the fucker will leave you alone for the rest of the school year. And, you don't get punished because he started it, and the rest of the school leaves you the fuck alone.

Overwhelming defensive force. It works like a charm.

 

[ShenRii]

If the first shot killed the kid, fine. Self-defense.
If he came back and fired at the limbs to ensure that the kid can't do jack shit. I can still close one eye and say self defense.
But man, he came back and killed the unconscious kid. That's murder.

 

[Organous]

It's population control.

America is embracing the idea of guilty until proven innocent, and we favor the harshest method of punishment possible. Obviously the worker is of the same mind. He was providing America's brand of justice before it ever goes to the courts. Although I am still a supporter of courts, I am in favor of death for a great many things beyond what we currently have.

As it currently stands, the law sees this as murder, but no jury will convict him of that.