PSN DOWN WTF?!1

I had a refurbished xbox(the white one) for a good 4 years...and it NEVER broke down on me or got RR.
Now that I have the latest one its been working perfectly fine with no problems at all.
I still think it's funny that the PSN network is down, I understand that this shit might take sometime, but the fact that they didn't even protect the network from something like this to ever happen is pure lawls.

I know it's been mentioned that the XboxLive network has gone "down" before, but that was mostly for updates and IMPROVEMENTS...not a hacking of the entire network for a month. +Hackers stealing your personal info.
(This does NOT include all of the idiots that fell for the "SEND US YOUR PERSONAL INFO TO GET FREE MAPS FOR COD!!! SEND CREDIT CARD,SOCIAL AND ALL OF YOUR ACCOUNT INFO PLUX!" Those people deserved to get their info jacked up for falling for such stupid shit lol.)

All in all, I rather pay $50 - $60 A YEAR and have good connection...then to be playing on a free network and then have this happen.
But hey, this is just me.

(Note: I should probably document this as well...this post wasn't meant to go towards ANYONE on this thread. I was just bored and wanted to talk about something. This is more towards all of the PSN Online Fanboys shitting themselves.)
 
TagYouRPregnant said:
All in all, I rather pay $50 - $60 A YEAR and have good connection...then to be playing on a free network and then have this happen.
But hey, this is just me.
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I wouldn't say that the PSN was hacked because it was a free service. From a systems programmer's perspective, there is a limit to how secure you can write code by throwing money at the problem before the value of additional money spent approaches zero. What it really comes down to is luck.

Maybe you feel the need to justify more your payment of 60 dollars a year, but you're probably deluding yourself if you think that any significant portion of your xbl payment goes to making it a more secure network. Most of that just goes towards Microsoft's bottom line. If Microsoft did not charge for their service, given their spending power, I find it extremely unlikely that they would have any less secure systems.

My personal theory is that the security breach is completely unrelated to the hacks on the ps3 itself and the DDoS attacks. I don't know much about the network itself, but it just seems unlikely that a compromised ps3 can have any sort of access to the type of information obtained that a pc could not have. Rather, the attack itself was probably just your normal type of attack done with normal computers timed in a way that Sony had a lot of other things to deal with.

From what I can gather, the attack was most likely initiated by spear-phishing on a network administrator with certain access permissions to a database, from which they exploited an SQL injection to get the data. The point I'm trying to make is that the problems were caused by very isolated instances of human error. Inadvertently installing a rootkit from an email sent by what you thought was another network administrator, not programming enough input handling to deal with weird strings on a database you wouldn't expect normal people to access. From a technical point of view, Sony's main problem was just hiring people who didn't do their job well enough. And the biggest blame probably goes to their security auditors.The scale of the entire Sony network, which includes more than just the PSN is big enough that the probability of someone making a mistake like this is non-trivial. Such problems probably exist on every single unbelievably large network you can think of, who have just been lucky enough not to have someone as dedicated as the current hackers to break in.

At the end of the day Sony should take full responsibility, but it just ticks me off when people who don't know anything about the actual situation itself complain about technical incompetence. The average person's need to crucify somebody when something happens to them just disgusts me.

As far as jumping ship to an xbox, it just strikes me as illogical. If you're concerned about security issues, you're just jumping from one network to another, and paying a non trivial cost for the migration process. This is after Sony is rebuilding their networks, extremely wary of security issues, and has offered identity insurance. Your disclosed information is a sunk cost, and unless you really hate Sony, you wouldn't get much benefit from switching, unless you really need an online gaming fix now for which I am sorry. A person who is worried about their information should not be switching from one network to another, but just rethinking the way they handle their information altogether.

Edit: I also find it somewhat amusing how people are proud that their x-box hasn't broken down yet. While I have barely been in contact with people who own x-boxes since they supposedly fixed them, I would be more surprised if x-boxes were still as stupidly defective as they were the THREE years after it launched.
 
I can tell you the majority of people that buy the PS3 or initially bought the PS3...could give a shit about online. I brought the system because it had some of the best single player software from past generations. I bought the initial 60gig model with MGS4 it recently got the YLOD, just fixed for 65, and I am good to go.

That's why when it comes down to it, the PS3 has the most hardcore gamers right after the PC. The 360 has gamers that would like to think they're hardcore but in reality aren't. It's littered with casuals.

Hackers fuck with everything...even xbox live has been hacked, although not to this degree. I just read that Eidos and SquareEnix recently got hacked here http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/05/13/eidos-and-deus-ex-sites-hacked-80000-users-data-stolen/

So as far as PSN getting hacked you should be worried overall. Once your personal data gets on the internet it's out of your hands...
You have to hope that whatever companies you give it to, have sufficient security measures to protect it. But hackers are like viruses constantly adapting constantly growing.
 
west coast can download an update atm that'll let them change their password, will probably be available nationally in the coming hours.
 
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