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Invading Russia in 1917 would not be a "Cold" war. I say the bombing of Nagisaki was the start of the Cold War because it was a showing to Russie that we have more bombs and we're willing to use them, so don't fuck with us. And whoever told you that the Treaty of Versailles didn't have a major effect on Germany as a country is exactly the type of history I am talking about. People teach history as they were taught, and if they were taught wrong and full of propoganda, they will propogate these lies.

The Treaty of Versailles declared Germany as the SOLE responsibility for WWI. Germany lost pretty much all military might in Europe, an area that has required military power for several millenia. They lost large portions of their land, which restricted their economic and trade freedom. Not to mention the insane REPERATIONS that were estimated would take Germany approximately 60 years to repay. Basically any economic progress that was made in Germany, as well as textiles, would be exported out of the country and given to France and Britain for 60 years. Because of this, the German economy became so weak that quality of life for it's people would be equivalent to the ghettos. Even John Keynes called the treaty a "Carthaginian Peace".

While yes, Germany wasn't under military occupation, the economic struggle gave the Nationalist Socialist Party an oppurtunity to come to power. They weren't a military organization, they were a political group. All they had to do was speak out against the Treaty of Versailles and promise a better life for every German. The Treaty of Versailles is the cause behind World War II, without a doubt.
 
I did not know the information in that book, but it isn't unreasonable. I know a bit about WW2, but there tends to be things that aren't released for everyone to know everywhere. It is clear that FDR always saw war with Japan.

I think purposely leaving Pearl Habor defenseless seems like a conspiracy theory though. I still think of it as an oversight of our defenses. We defended areas by the Philippines expecting an attack. It was clear that our empire would get in the way of Japan's movements, and I can believe that both sides were aware of the situation before the attack.

I can definitely believe that the United States was pushing for war with Japan. There was a good chance that they might have had to deal with the United States in its goal for southern Asia.
 
So the Treaty wasn't really a treaty at all, and it started a war? Jaxel you know your history, i do this but more with religion not history. Also i would like to add Happy birthday and let me be the first one to say it!
 
Jaxel said:
Invading Russia in 1917 would not be a "Cold" war. I say the bombing of Nagisaki was the start of the Cold War because it was a showing to Russie that we have more bombs and we're willing to use them, so don't fuck with us. And whoever told you that the Treaty of Versailles didn't have a major effect on Germany as a country is exactly the type of history I am talking about. People teach history as they were taught, and if they were taught wrong and full of propoganda, they will propogate these lies.

The Treaty of Versailles declared Germany as the SOLE responsibility for WWI. Germany lost pretty much all military might in Europe, an area that has required military power for several millenia. They lost large portions of their land, which restricted their economic and trade freedom. Not to mention the insane REPERATIONS that were estimated would take Germany approximately 60 years to repay. Basically any economic progress that was made in Germany, as well as textiles, would be exported out of the country and given to France and Britain for 60 years. Because of this, the German economy became so weak that quality of life for it's people would be equivalent to the ghettos. Even John Keynes called the treaty a "Carthaginian Peace".

While yes, Germany wasn't under military occupation, the economic struggle gave the Nationalist Socialist Party an oppurtunity to come to power. They weren't a military organization, they were a political group. All they had to do was speak out against the Treaty of Versailles and promise a better life for every German. The Treaty of Versailles is the cause behind World War II, without a doubt.
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I agree that it was, but I personally think that if the Treaty of Versailles was tougher, I actually think that this wouldn't have happened. If I recall, Germany was limited to an army of 100,000. Germany was stomped enough to warrant embarrassment. I was actually told that the USA was partially to blame for allowing Germany enough to be able to build up as quickly as they did. Germany never repaid the reparations and the United States gave them loans for most of it.

I could be wrong, but the United States helped Germany a great deal after WW1 since Wilson tried to make the Treaty of Versailles as soft on Germany as possible. This was also coupled with the fact that the USA was totally played by Britain in WW1.

Wasn't there a Communist scare back before WW2 though. I am not saying that 1917 was the official start, but I think that even without the bomb, it would have started. The rivalry and discontent was already there.
 
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