Looking And Waiting For Something Special?

[ZeroEffect317]

Lack of proof is not proof either. The fact that it hasn't happened doesn't prove that it is impossible. So it's not like the opposing side has a legit case either.

And to me the fact that Kura got to second using only Talim (he tried other characters only after I told him to in the grand finals) and the fact that Omega got to top 8 with Zas at Evo says enough for me already.

And I don't care about proving anything anyways, I'm just stating my opinion on these matters. I'm not hoping for an imbalanced SC5. I'd rather have it as balanced as possible. I'm just expressing my views on the imbalances that I've learned to appreciate in the past couple of SC games. Maybe I'm just too positive and optimistic for my own good?

Oof, trust me, I agree. If I believed it was impossible to win with Talim, I'd have stopped playing her years ago. I know when I lose it's me that loses and not the character. It's not a shot taken at you for trying to prove anything, I just hear the same stories of what almost was, concerning Kura and Omega every time character balance is questioned.

I can't believe I have to explain this, but I'm better than you so whatever.

Okay, when I put the opponent into a mixup position, they don't necessarily make a guess out of fear. Sometimes they're so sure of making the incorrect guess that they even feel they're being clever by committing to it. Then they find out they were wrong. That is a mind game.

Also, mind games do not apply to button mashers since they are not playing by the rules of the game. They have no concept of advantage and disadvantage. One must only punish them for not knowing the game. No mind game required.

The last part of your post is my point entirely. I'm not saying legit mixups don't exist, of course they do. But training your opponents to favor a particular offensive/defensive option based on previous actions you took only works through fear of something, even if only slight. Mashers aren't gonna win tournaments, obviously. But while the most intelligent/informed players are busy trying to analyze the best options, they can be prone to hesitation where these "mindgames" tend to really shine.

Take a simple mixup like Mitsu 2KB and 3B, for example. If the mitsu player wants to use 2KB to train their opponent to block low, but the opponent doesn't care about letting it hit, there is no mind game that will make them vulnerable to the 3B option. Sure, this means theoretically you could 2KB them to death, but my point is that you can't force any sort of guessing game on them. You can't mentally train them to act a certain way, which, if I'm not mistaken is the whole point of a mind game.

And Vince, of course you're better than me... you knew better than to play Talim.

 

[Talim JP]

InsaneKhent- Your earlier post makes me hope I can play (and lose, haha) you Mina vs Talim someday. ; )

I can understand OOFMATIC's and ZeroEffect317s various feelings about Talim.
I think she can win, you gotta put in the prac and not make mistakes.

OOFMATIC also talked of the foreign players way of thinking- from living here in Japan I can say it seems that many JP SC players go with a character they like, not necessarily one that is top teir or that will win.

 

[Chickenwing]

Khent: out of ALL the posts i publish, when have you EVER notice i take indirect shots at people? Nothing was directed towards you, so the guilty conciense of yours needs to settle down a little. Trust me, either i'd call your ass out or i would pm you. That post of mine was directed towards this entire community (since it said that in the post) who continue to have this tiresome debate. I left for a few months, i come back thinking things will be a little different, and i come back to the same bullshit.

Besides, lobo knows me personally as well as a few other players. I don't hold back, i'll call bullshit when i see it. :)

 

[Chickenwing]

Er...I only accused OOFMATIC of that (of which I was incorrect), not you.

so as i sit here and look stupid and retarded...my apologies. continue on with the arguements ;)

 

[MONEYMUFFINS]

The last part of your post is my point entirely. I'm not saying legit mixups don't exist, of course they do. But training your opponents to favor a particular offensive/defensive option based on previous actions you took only works through fear of something, even if only slight. Mashers aren't gonna win tournaments, obviously. But while the most intelligent/informed players are busy trying to analyze the best options, they can be prone to hesitation where these "mindgames" tend to really shine.

Take a simple mixup like Mitsu 2KB and 3B, for example. If the mitsu player wants to use 2KB to train their opponent to block low, but the opponent doesn't care about letting it hit, there is no mind game that will make them vulnerable to the 3B option. Sure, this means theoretically you could 2KB them to death, but my point is that you can't force any sort of guessing game on them. You can't mentally train them to act a certain way, which, if I'm not mistaken is the whole point of a mind game.

And Vince, of course you're better than me... you knew better than to play Talim.

I once learned that only a manipulator can be influenced by another manipulator. Perhaps in your case, your strategy doesn't involve you having to condition the opponent to act a certain way. Perhaps instead you let them condition themselves by assuming whatever they want about you. Either way, as long as their understanding of your intentions are false, then you can get inside that person's head for matches to come. I apply this concept in-game when I am certain that the other player has become consciously aware of when/where/what I am doing at particular moments. At this point I can cycle through different types of moves for different types of mixups. However, there is no mind game in the mixups until we start playing around with each other's assumptions (aka yomi layers).

About your idea on fear, I believe you are referring to the loss of control experienced in a match. As it is, people do all kinds of stuff when put under pressure. But my message is that when you can outsmart someone for having the wrong idea about your intent altogether, then now it's about whether or not they actually know your mind. Therefore, fear is unrelated.


P.S.
Senzait said I was insulting you. While that is true, I know I'm still a person like everyone else. It's just, pretending to act like an elitist asshole is tremendously funny to me, especially since I hate those kinds of guys.