AriesWarlock
[10] Knight
It does seem like a little too much nonsense in that move input, but I finally got it in SC3. And then they had to give one of them a different input... :@
Looking And Waiting For Something Special?
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It does seem like a little too much nonsense in that move input, but I finally got it in SC3. And then they had to give one of them a different input... :@
KingAce
HERMITISM
Who doesn't love you Khent. :)
From where I stand you're definitely a very skilled player, and hella dedicated. And for me and many others we always wonder how far you can get if you apply those skills to a different character.
So since you shared, I will share my low tier difficulties.
I think I am lucky that I can have fun with any character I dedicate myself to. I main Yun Seong, but hate the SC4 version so I don't play him, or to be exact don't practice him. All the characters I originally started with were considered low tier at some point. I welcomed the challenge of making them work and competitive.
Coming from SC2 and SC3 my mains were Yun, Zas, and NM. I hate Sc3 NM so I never played him. But the trials to make Zasalamel work were painful. The countless lossesI had against SU's kilik, RTD's Hilde, Woahhzz Ivy, the many Amy's and Mitsu players. I had to sit there and adapt fighting styles again and again. I go into practice I work on my defense, GI the second hit for Asura, which side to step against hilde, how to get through bubble fields, how to not get soul crushed while turtling hard...etc.
People have asked me many times how do you win with Zasalamel? And I would respond, well Zas is mind game character, you're supposed to look at his tools and work that around his throws and mids. You also have to defend well, so you have to space, step and GI very effectively. And that's about all I could say, because making him work took years and months of dedication, to reach a peak I couldn't just teach or describe. I can proudly say that very few people can do what Omega, me and Freaky Style have done with Zas.
Once people learn Zas's frames, you're asking yourself, how do I not get punished, so you don't finish strings, at times you're not attacking at advantage, because of some evasive bullshit, or amy's 6B or Kilik's Asura. You're poking, with the mentality that any damage is good damage. Zas B+k is i12 does 0 damage, gives no advantage on hit or ch, amy has 6B, for zas B+K is a great move.
Fact is with zas my brain was doing many calculations, a ton of thinking and was constantly under stress when it all failed. When it worked, and man I have kicked some sorry ass with Zas, I was proud. And I am proud of being a Zas player who made it work. But I am not a masochists, I can't main the character even though I went as far as I did with him, I don't like the amount of thinking involved with him at high levels. Because the rest of the game isn't designed like this, Zas is a thinking man's character. I tell anyone that plays the character you can't appreciate him until you mirror match first to 10 against another Zas player. The character has nothing, and demands everything from the player.
I don't know what my point is, but maybe they should just nerf everyone else, because trust me the difference between Zas and Kilik, two difficult characters to win with but in different tier standings is astounding. It's a whole different game.
From where I stand you're definitely a very skilled player, and hella dedicated. And for me and many others we always wonder how far you can get if you apply those skills to a different character.
So since you shared, I will share my low tier difficulties.
I think I am lucky that I can have fun with any character I dedicate myself to. I main Yun Seong, but hate the SC4 version so I don't play him, or to be exact don't practice him. All the characters I originally started with were considered low tier at some point. I welcomed the challenge of making them work and competitive.
Coming from SC2 and SC3 my mains were Yun, Zas, and NM. I hate Sc3 NM so I never played him. But the trials to make Zasalamel work were painful. The countless lossesI had against SU's kilik, RTD's Hilde, Woahhzz Ivy, the many Amy's and Mitsu players. I had to sit there and adapt fighting styles again and again. I go into practice I work on my defense, GI the second hit for Asura, which side to step against hilde, how to get through bubble fields, how to not get soul crushed while turtling hard...etc.
People have asked me many times how do you win with Zasalamel? And I would respond, well Zas is mind game character, you're supposed to look at his tools and work that around his throws and mids. You also have to defend well, so you have to space, step and GI very effectively. And that's about all I could say, because making him work took years and months of dedication, to reach a peak I couldn't just teach or describe. I can proudly say that very few people can do what Omega, me and Freaky Style have done with Zas.
Once people learn Zas's frames, you're asking yourself, how do I not get punished, so you don't finish strings, at times you're not attacking at advantage, because of some evasive bullshit, or amy's 6B or Kilik's Asura. You're poking, with the mentality that any damage is good damage. Zas B+k is i12 does 0 damage, gives no advantage on hit or ch, amy has 6B, for zas B+K is a great move.
Fact is with zas my brain was doing many calculations, a ton of thinking and was constantly under stress when it all failed. When it worked, and man I have kicked some sorry ass with Zas, I was proud. And I am proud of being a Zas player who made it work. But I am not a masochists, I can't main the character even though I went as far as I did with him, I don't like the amount of thinking involved with him at high levels. Because the rest of the game isn't designed like this, Zas is a thinking man's character. I tell anyone that plays the character you can't appreciate him until you mirror match first to 10 against another Zas player. The character has nothing, and demands everything from the player.
I don't know what my point is, but maybe they should just nerf everyone else, because trust me the difference between Zas and Kilik, two difficult characters to win with but in different tier standings is astounding. It's a whole different game.
Ooofmatic
World Warrior
InsaneKhent, first of all I want to apologize for not reading your post aside from the first paragraph. I already know you're a great player and I don't need to read a post that explains why you are.
Anyways you and other Mina/Rock players didn't come to my mind at all when I wrote my post. I wasn't taking any shots at you, what I meant by "Maybe not an American Rock or Mina" and how you understood it were completely different. What I meant is that we won't see an American Rock or Mina win tournaments because what I view as scrub mentality causes people to not use them. So the scrub mentality comment wasn't aimed at current Rock and Mina players, but to players who don't use them but otherwise would have if it weren't for the mentality that I see most Americans have of "its more about the character than the player".
Anyways you and other Mina/Rock players didn't come to my mind at all when I wrote my post. I wasn't taking any shots at you, what I meant by "Maybe not an American Rock or Mina" and how you understood it were completely different. What I meant is that we won't see an American Rock or Mina win tournaments because what I view as scrub mentality causes people to not use them. So the scrub mentality comment wasn't aimed at current Rock and Mina players, but to players who don't use them but otherwise would have if it weren't for the mentality that I see most Americans have of "its more about the character than the player".
