Live Streaming Update and More Protocol Changes!

[Malice]

Thanks for your input Malice, a lot of the points you brought up I thought about when making the changes.

Displaying upcoming events I think is now more necessary than ever. With low event turnout, the more events we can promote the better. Putting them on the forefront of the website can't hurt.

It doesn’t hurt, but I still don’t think the former should not have been thrown out entirely. Why not incorporate the functions of both into that one module? It’s not necessary to show the original poster’s forum icon when there’s already a hyperlink to the event thread. It would be nice if that space linked to a stream or removed to show more of the event title, or have that icon change when a stream is live. You should also just show the city and state there so that it doesn’t run off. If the goal is to grab people’s attention, then just that will be enough.

The new system has LESS work for streamers. You no longer need to set up an event to show your stream; and if your event has multiple streams, you no longer need to create multiple events to show them. Once your stream has been added to the approved list, you NEVER have to do anything again. The moment you start streaming a Soulcalibur game, you get posted on the stream list.

Less work for streamers I agree which is why I think you can also get rid of the live streaming section now that this system in place. But my point is about tournaments. Now there’s more work involved in having them showcased which is why the old system shouldn’t have been thrown out entirely.



And unless I’m mistaken, if it’s dependent on them being in the approved stream list as well as broadcasting an approved game, then it will miss the scrub since most tournaments don’t update the game that they are broadcasting. Plus most want to watch an entire event, not just when Soulcalibur is live.

Plus what about services like uStream. What happens when someone isn’t using Twitch? What happens down the road if someone else overtakes Twitch? That’s why the old system should be there in some form, not removed completely.

The BBcode is simple as shit. If you can't figure it out, you dont deserve to stream.

But who wants to go through those extra steps? There's not a need to automatically embed a stream, but there is to show one automatically on the forum, as well as to know where they can find the stream or streams.

Malicious users didn't have events because we moderated the events and forced approval for ANY changes. This created more work for both users and moderators. Getting rid of the stream system in the calendar removes the incentive for malicious users, thus making things way easier on moderators.

Moderators don't do crap as it is.

The scrape happens every 5 minutes. In the past, events had to be approved by moderators... each and every event. Now, only the stream has to be approved... and only ONCE. The moment you change the game on Twitch.TV to a Soulcalibur related game, the scrape will pick up the stream within 5 minutes.

Not to mention, having stream in two different systems would have confused users. So I opted to remove it from the event system entirely for a clearly better system.

It's not clearly better. What about streams that aren't on Twitch? What's the process for showing a stream on uStream?

 

[Jaxel]

Okay Malice, taking some of your criticism, I've made a small change...

The full stream list page (http://8wayrun.com/streams/) will list ALL approved streams when they go live, no matter what game they are playing. However, only streams playing approved games (http://8wayrun.com/streams/games) will be displayed on the portal block.

Is that a fair compromise?

 

[Malice]

Showing all streams regardless of what game that they are playing doesn’t address the problems I have with the system. If 8WayRun was a generic site, this would be fine. Plus other websites already show approved streams regardless of the game that they are playing.

I can give you more suggestions if you want them.

 

[Malice]

Here's the one thing I would like to see:

To be able to add the link for a stream to a tournament thread and have it appear on the livestream list for the duration of that event without the current restrictions that are in place for adding a stream.

I don't need it to automatically appear in the livestream module, but if it meets the qualifications to appear in that module (approved channel + approved game), then it should.

I also don't want to just add a channel to the approved list if they only stream Calibur once in a blue moon since this is still a site pertaining to Soulcalibur, but it shouldn't be a problem to show event streams now that you are showing a list of streams regardless of what game that they are playing since your original issue was having certain streams show up automatically on the forum.

I don't know if your modules also support uStream, but it would be a plus since the PS4 will allow direct console streaming via uStream. Would be nice to look ahead to the future since streaming is really going to take off once we hit that next console generation. Maybe the next crappy console from M$ may offer the same functionality as well.

You may also want to add a tab to the top of the forum just so more are aware that there is a page dedicated to live streams.

 

[Jaxel]

I don't know if your modules also support uStream, but it would be a plus since the PS4 will allow direct console streaming via uStream. Would be nice to look ahead to the future since streaming is really going to take off once we hit that next console generation. Maybe the next crappy console from M$ may offer the same functionality as well.

The system is built to expand with service portability. The current problem right now is the uStream API has not been updated in FOUR YEARS and currently doesn't allow stream scrapes.