If I had $1 for every time God bailed me out...

[Manta]

If I had $1 for every time God bailed me out..

About my whole Big Bang statement, I'm not trying to push religion on anyone. I said it was my opinion, and I personally believe that that can prove his existence. To those who disagree, I ask you what your explanation for the beginning of time is? I think it should get an explanation other than "it just happened."

How 'bout "we don't know yet".

Another truth? Neither do you.

Your definition of 'proof' is laughable in the scientific sense ~ Let's ignore logic and reason and say you're right. Okay then, which god did it? Was it even a him? Why not an 'it'? People couldn't explain lightning bolts back then, they thought Zeus did it. Clearly that's not the case. The Bible and Quran often describe the world as being flat with even more laughable explanations for what the moon and sun actually are (we're the center of the universe, didn't ya know?) This is as well obviously not the case as science disproved all of this. Many people still believe that volcanoes, hurricanes and earthquakes are the work of some magic man in the sky. Get out of the mindset of explaining things you don't know or understand with "God did it".

If you have a source of evidence that is better than scripture written in the bronze-age middle east, I'm sure the scientific community would like to hear it. Again, valid unbiased, non-subjective experienced or coincidental evidence that hasn't already been discussed or discarded for centuries -- would be preferred.

Anyways, this topic is fun to talk about simply because it involves dealing in all ways of life ; Philosophy, morals, and depending what side you're on -- science ~ but there's never a winner from either side as people rarely convert unless they're already near a tipping point... once someone is offended, they'll almost never back down from their beliefs.

I'll at least say freedom of Religion is fine as long as that religion doesn't make you do something stupid. I think that's something everyone can agree on. =)


-Manta-

 

[Hot Rod Dave]

If I had $1 for every time God bailed me out..

God?? God you say???

It sure is a nice thought to think that there is all mighty entity overseeing everything. And that when I die I will go to this place that pales in comparison to this place we call earth. It sure is a nice THOUGHT.

But Im not convinced!!

 

[Marginal]

If I had $1 for every time God bailed me out..

About my whole Big Bang statement, I'm not trying to push religion on anyone. I said it was my opinion, and I personally believe that that can prove his existence. To those who disagree, I ask you what your explanation for the beginning of time is? I think it should get an explanation other than "it just happened."

An alien from another universe was practicing his ray gun shooting. He aimed at the only thing in the universe, that sparked the expansion, and he was killed in the resulting explosion.

Thus, time.

 

[Y-Disciple]

If I had $1 for every time God bailed me out..

How 'bout "we don't know yet".

Another truth? Neither do you.

Your definition of 'proof' is laughable in the scientific sense ~ Let's ignore logic and reason and say you're right. Okay then, which god did it? Was it even a him? Why not an 'it'? People couldn't explain lightning bolts back then, they thought Zeus did it. Clearly that's not the case. The Bible and Quran often describe the world as being flat with even more laughable explanations for what the moon and sun actually are (we're the center of the universe, didn't ya know?) This is as well obviously not the case as science disproved all of this. Many people still believe that volcanoes, hurricanes and earthquakes are the work of some magic man in the sky. Get out of the mindset of explaining things you don't know or understand with "God did it".

If you have a source of evidence that is better than scripture written in the bronze-age middle east, I'm sure the scientific community would like to hear it. Again, valid unbiased, non-subjective experienced or coincidental evidence that hasn't already been discussed or discarded for centuries -- would be preferred.

I think you're taking what I said too seriously. I don't believe that God creates lightning or any of the stupid shit the Bible says that defies all logic, which is a large amount of it. In fact, sometimes I seriously doubt God's existence as well, but I'm not gonna convert to atheism. It sounds like you're just assuming that because I believe a higher force is responsible for creating time, that I believe that everything else religion freaks have suggested off the top of their heads is true. I'm not explaining everything I don't know for fact as "God did it" like you said. I use the term "proof" loosely.

And about me not knowing what truly caused the creation of time, you're right. We'll probably never know what happened and will be restricted to theories, and one possibility, which many others believe in, is that it's God's (or some higher force's) work. That's pretty much the only theory most people can think of at the moment. Even if it sounds ridiculous, it's possible. Again, it's just my opinion.

The scientific community that you speak of, most of them believe in God as well. They, like me, just don't take the Bible as fact. They're not all atheists like you just because they believe in scientific concepts.

By the way you're making so many assumptions and attacking me for it, it looks like you're getting too aggressive for this thread, and this could get it closed. Let's just limit this to our personal opinions on the matter. I say this to everyone. Opinions. Because I've found that a lot of people don't know what that word means.

 

[Felix007]

If I had $1 for every time God bailed me out..

I think you're taking what I said too seriously. I don't believe that God creates lightning or any of the stupid shit the Bible says that defies all logic, which is a large amount of it. In fact, sometimes I seriously doubt God's existence as well, but I'm not gonna convert to atheism. It sounds like you're just assuming that because I believe a higher force is responsible for creating time, that I believe that everything else religion freaks have suggested off the top of their heads is true. I'm not explaining everything I don't know for fact as "God did it" like you said. I use the term "proof" loosely.

The problem is, you're still using the idea of personal incredulity to suggest that God must have created time because you, personally, can't think of another way it came about. It is no different than the Zeus/lightning bolt idea that you scoffed at, merely at a different point in history. There are many more theories than "God did it" to explain how time came about, and simply being "possible" does not grant it one ounce of credibility. Marginal's example of an alien shooting his ray gun is just as plausible because neither of them have a scrap of evidence in their favor.

I don't feel anyone here is trying to "convert" you to atheism, we're merely pointing out flaws in your logic. If time is so complex that it required a higher power to create, would that not mean that the deity is even more complex, and would require a designer itself? Then you repeat that ad infinitum.

If you're not willing to debate your opinion on the matter, why bother posting at all? You refine and expand your ideas by having a discourse with others. You gain nothing by typing your thoughts on the matter and getting upset when someone challenges those ideas.