If I had $1 for every time God bailed me out...

[Manta]

If I had $1 for every time God bailed me out..

Lets say you do find proof that someone or something created the universe.

Good for you, you did the unthinkable, something no scientist has done yet.

Now show me that it wasn't Allah, or Yahweh or any of the other of thousands of Gods humanity has believed over the years?

For that, there's not a shred of evidence that would suggest any scientific link or correlation, since of course ~ God is supernatural, right? Outside science? I'd like to see someone's non-subjective proof that they've not been praying to the wrong god this whole time ~ there simply is none =)


-Manta-

 

[iKotomi]

If I had $1 for every time God bailed me out..

I didn't know the universe was expanding, is that a fact? I always thought of it as the available space and that only the matter/energy/whatever inside of it moved.
If there is an outside of the universe, there must be some kind of border to it. However, if there is no outside, I can only imagine that it's kind of like a circle and that you ended up at your starting position if you moved forever in the same direction. Don't take this example too seriously, I just don't know what to compare it to :D

I obviously don't know anything about physics, this is just what I can imagine myself.

The universe is expanding. As I said earlier, its mostly empty space, but what's happening is the empty space between actual matter (stars, planets, etc.) is increasing uniformly. Imagine it like a balloon, it is mostly empty, but there a lot of gas particles that push out towards the balloon. The universe is expanding similarly to the way a balloon gets bigger. This isn't exactly the best example because it only describes the shape, the universe is expanding because of Newton's first law, inertia where the particles are actually getting further apart from each other, while a balloon expands because the increase in the amount of gas particles increases the air pressure on the surface of the balloon and the particles are actually closer to each other. The main idea is, the area that has stuff inside it, as opposed to nothing, is increasing.



*edit* Pretty much, it is natural for the universe to expand, since the stars all have velocity, and will tend to move out in the direction they are moving. However, it is also natural for it to contract, since the stars have gravity. What was surprising was that the force of gravity was not enough to keep the universe from contracting, since even the smallest force over a long period of time will eventually cause large objects to decelerate.

Do you make a difference between empty space and nothing? This sounds like you're saying that the empty space spreads into the nothing around it.

No, there is no difference between empty space and nothing in my use of it. As I said above, what's happening is that the total amount of area that contains actual matter is expanding into an area that previously had nothing. The border is imaginary, arbitrarily drawn to contain all the matter in the universe.

 

[Hudathan]

If I had $1 for every time God bailed me out..

Too many pages, would just like to say that religion, especially the idea of God in the Christian sense, is not convincing. Where else in life can you get away with not having evidence to back up an idea? If I started a new religion today and told people to just have faith in my teachings I would get no where. People just don't like to change and that's why religion is still important to people.

 

[KoshTheKoala]

If I had $1 for every time God bailed me out..

If I started a new religion today and told people to just have faith in my teachings I would get no where.

That's where you're wrong.

"I'd like to start a religion. That's where the money is!" - L. Ron Hubbard, founder of Scientology

 

[KingAce]

If I had $1 for every time God bailed me out..

As far as we know, it does not defy logic, but merely shows that we don't currently have a solid understanding of the concepts of self causality, or the ability for the object to come into existence without a prior action behind it. See the Casimir Effect for the idea of something that is uncaused (vacuum energy), based in part on the planck constant.

The Pope is intended to act as an intecessory, much as the Catholics believe that Saints have the ability to send intecessory prayers. The title also functioned as a political power in the fourth century and onward. From Wikipedia, Matt. 16:18-19, John 21:15-17, Luke 12:41, and a few others are interpreted by the Catholic church as the need for a "steward" of the faith, hence the position and power of the Pope today.

(Disclaimer: Considering I am not Catholic, the above may not be completely accurate, but simply the best interpretation I was able to discern).

As far as my understanding goes...we mostly argue about concepts of God or his attributes. And for the most part all known and popular concepts of God or the idea of God are flawed.