Here, have some feminism

ZestYCrackerS said:
Is it an oxy moron if feminists say they want to be treated the same as men and they want equality but when a dude hits them they say "You cant hit me Im a girl!" Im very confused by feminists =/
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Hypocrisy isn't the sole purview of feminists. Look at Thomas Jefferson: "all men are created equal," he wrote, while he owned slaves. Governments derive "their just powers from the consent of the governed," he wrote. Then he went off to fuck Sally Hemmings.

Also: have you ever heard anyone--feminist or not--say "don't hit me, I'm a girl!" to somebody who was about to beat the shit out of them? I mean, in that situation, I think most people are either running, or fighting back, or too busy getting punched.

Also: not all feminists are girls.

ALSO: it seems to me that even if a feminist were saying that while she was getting beat up, it wouldn't invalidate ALL OF FEMINISM. I mean, is anybody actually going to deny that women haven't had equal rights, for most of the span of recorded history? Is anybody actually going to deny that there are women who are being exploited right now, and that there are social and cultural forces that often put women in more danger of being exploited than their male counterparts?

If you acknowledge those facts, then I don't think you're fully human--thinking for yourself, acknowledging that there are other people in the world, caring what happens to them, wanting to make things right--unless you're prepared to listen to feminists. I don't mean that you have to agree with everything they say (although, really, there is no "they"; there are almost as many feminisms as there are feminists). I just mean that you have to keep an open mind, and think about what they're saying in the context of your own life and the lives of people around you.

Look, sure: there are feminists who hate men. This was more common in the sixties and seventies, which is where the stereotype of the feminist as bull-dyke militant lesbian wanting to live on an all-female commune in the desert comes from. But most modern feminists realize that men and women are interconnected, that the sexes depend on each other for their survival and well being, that we're all human and imperfect, that men aren't the devil. All you have to do is to actually listen to them, to the actual words that are coming out of their mouths, instead of only hearing what you've already decided you're going to hear.
 
Man, this is actually getting kind of funny.

"Some feminists contradict themselves" =/= "all feminists are ignorant."
 
scha said:
Hypocrisy isn't the sole purview of feminists. Look at Thomas Jefferson: "all men are created equal," he wrote, while he owned slaves. Governments derive "their just powers from the consent of the governed," he wrote. Then he went off to fuck Sally Hemmings.

Also: have you ever heard anyone--feminist or not--say "don't hit me, I'm a girl!" to somebody who was about to beat the shit out of them? I mean, in that situation, I think most people are either running, or fighting back, or too busy getting punched.

Also: not all feminists are girls.

ALSO: it seems to me that even if a feminist were saying that while she was getting beat up, it wouldn't invalidate ALL OF FEMINISM. I mean, is anybody actually going to deny that women haven't had equal rights, for most of the span of recorded history? Is anybody actually going to deny that there are women who are being exploited right now, and that there are social and cultural forces that often put women in more danger of being exploited than their male counterparts?

If you acknowledge those facts, then I don't think you're fully human--thinking for yourself, acknowledging that there are other people in the world, caring what happens to them, wanting to make things right--unless you're prepared to listen to feminists. I don't mean that you have to agree with everything they say (although, really, there is no "they"; there are almost as many feminisms as there are feminists). I just mean that you have to keep an open mind, and think about what they're saying in the context of your own life and the lives of people around you.

Look, sure: there are feminists who hate men. This was more common in the sixties and seventies, which is where the stereotype of the feminist as bull-dyke militant lesbian wanting to live on an all-female commune in the desert comes from. But most modern feminists realize that men and women are interconnected, that the sexes depend on each other for their survival and well being, that we're all human and imperfect, that men aren't the devil. All you have to do is to actually listen to them, to the actual words that are coming out of their mouths, instead of only hearing what you've already decided you're going to hear.
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lol I dont ever recall describing the situation as the girl is about to get the living shit beat out of her. I was thinking of a situation where a dude playfully hits a female feminist (i have to specify now because i OBVIOUSLY didnt know that men could be feminists as well as women) and she takes offense to it and says "you cant hit me im a girl" lol sorry I'll be more descriptive next time. I was only talking about this one situation because I dont care to much about getting into a huge debate about feminism.

Im not ignorant. I never anywhere in my post implied that all feminists hate men and are flaming dykes. I have no idea where you pulled that from lol. My girlfriend is a feminist she obviously doesnt mind me being a guy and isnt dyke either. this was basically the only question she couldnt answer properly because she wonders the same thing. And I got a very good answer from Tiamat, which i thank him for.

Also im not trying to say all feminists are ignorant, sometimes i screw up on what im trying to say so get off my ass. And i was making a general statement when i say that you have to love people who contradict themslves, which is why I said PEOPLE not Feminists. lol look at this ive made an unecessary response that you are more than likely going to troll on and get all pissy about because i said something you dont like =/
 
The only feminists I know pretty much hold the view that men are scum and that women deserve more rights than men.
Which bothers me, why try to fight prejudice and inequality if you hold an ideology of prejudice and inequality?
I'm not generalizing here, I am only talking from personal experience.
 
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