Hate Speech: When Worlds Collide

See, I’m making this point at the chance of getting riled up. To me, SC4 Online was the greatest attempt at trolling that came from a game company. There has been so much stress caused by SC4 online that I’m surprised no one has sued Namco for it. Online is so much bullshit that I find it bewildering that anyone could defend it. Do you know what you gain from forming strategies based around online play in SC4? Delusion.

From a competitive standpoint, there is no good that will come out of playing SC4 online.

This is a virtual breeding ground for scrubs and it should never, never be taken seriously. But here’s the thing. It’s a competitive fighting game. So why even start playing online? Why do it to yourself? Nothing is gained. The lag in SC4 is so terrible that the game doesn’t even resemble itself any more. The classy “rules” are subject to bias to whoever is loud and obnoxious enough to enforce them. This makes people play the role of deputy. They exclaim how you SHOULD play, what moves AREN’T allowed. Can you imagine what kind of complex this creates in a game where the aim is to crush your opponent through exploitation?

Bullshit.

What’s even worse is when people actually take enjoyment out of winning online matches, as if it makes them on the same planet as some of the great tournament players.

Someone said you can learn new strategies playing online and taking them offline. I won’t say this isn’t true, but the price you pay for this “experience” comes at the cost of frustration. What you gain is a dim vision of what might be possible and it is immediately offset by anyone who has good reaction time offline.

I do agree with Malice that it’s a great place to meet new likeminded people and bring them to 8WR. But it is SUCH A TEASE when want you want to really put your skills to the test. Sorry, you can’t do 80% of your movelist. Aw well. Here’s to SC5 netcode being good.. and maybe when the time is right I’ll have a scene booming here in Ohio.
 
Online is good for learning the ropes properly, and for developing a play style that fits you. I believe this is only good for online. Offline is smooth, precise, all around better feeling. I have fought multiple people both offline and online. What ive learned is people develope specific playstyles. I curb stomp some people who i had trouble with online, and I get reamed by others. The whole Offline vs. Online is a personal dispute. Everyone will have a different answer. There will always be the good and the bad players. The spammers and abusers of online play, as well as the legit, try hard people. I think what im trying to say is clear. personal preference reigns supreme here. Personally, I like offline for the precise and accurate inputs. I cant say that i dont play online though. The tactics between both are different, but i enjoy the community, well when its not a spamming Mitsurugis 1A. XD
 
Sp1d3r said:
From a competitive standpoint, there is no good that will come out of playing SC4 online.

This is a virtual breeding ground for scrubs and it should never, never be taken seriously. But here’s the thing. It’s a competitive fighting game. So why even start playing online? Why do it to yourself? Nothing is gained. The lag in SC4 is so terrible that the game doesn’t even resemble itself any more. The classy “rules” are subject to bias to whoever is loud and obnoxious enough to enforce them. This makes people play the role of deputy. They exclaim how you SHOULD play, what moves AREN’T allowed. Can you imagine what kind of complex this creates in a game where the aim is to crush your opponent through exploitation?
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I don't agree with this. I know where you're coming from, because when I first started playing offline, I couldn't go back to online. I HATED it with a passion. And I'd moan about it constantly. But the fact is I learned to play this game online. I learned a lot about combos and spacing and techtraps, and about other characters' potent tools.

Most importantly I met some really good players online, and the most important thing that happened is that we talked to each other. All the time, about techniques, and traps, and ways to shut down options of other characters. A lot of what we discussed wasn't right, but we were learning so much by bouncing ideas off each other and then putting them into practice.

Once we started playing offline, we could put a lot of the stuff into practice. We could start playing without any online constraints, using laglows and spam tactics, and we quickly learned which things were actually effective/ineffective rather than just theoretically so.

And sure, it was difficult to go back to online after this, because it was so much less fun and not much more we would learn from it. But I still think online has a lot of potential for training and learning about the game, especially for newer players, so long as they communicate.
 
Okay at first I was reading this article and I didn't like where it was going, then it went exactly where I thought it wasn't going and I liked it. As far as messages like that I just write of anyone that sends that sort of stuff to me as a scrub regardless of their skills because if you can't keep your being a bitter looser in check then you need to spend more time in anger management classes than playing SC. Mind you I am probably one of the most sour looser's you will ever meet and I may call you many derogatory things if you ninja whomp my ass HOWEVER I will never send those insults to you in a message or say them over a mic because really I'm not really attacking you but I'm grappling with my inability to overcome. (Unless you are a well known friend in which I will turn on my mic so I can serenade you with my streams of frustrated curses.) ;) Have I had disagreements with players online? Absolutely, however as human beings and adults we need to learn to agree to disagree and no matter how heated a discussion gets never sink so low as to use derogatory four letter words that require absolutely no tact. (Instead if you have a disgruntled person attack them with wit and cunning, cut them in such a way that they won't even know their bleeding, because frankly it makes you look like a better person and makes your opposition look like a jack ass.) Peace and love people. :)
P.S if there are any typos or grammatical errors I'm sorry it's early.
 
(apparently, wall of text is something normal among Seigfried mains, but no one is forcing anyone to read this, so in the words of a wise man "Shut up, Meg.")
From a Noob perspective:
What i like about online is that online is what brought me here. I was referred to join by another far more skilled player who, i suppose, was either a really nice guy or took pity on me. Maybe both. Not sure. Anyways. While I agree with opinions expressed by better players, that high level can not truly be achieved by playing online, we can (under the right context with the right player with the similar goal) actually learn the game to play it offline. Though, that said, i am rather concerned about by what degree online changes the game.
The first gathering i went to, i was smashed because i was unwittingly (someone told me this AFTER the gathering) was setting up lag frame traps. this leads me to believe that: playing a good player online can help you learn, but the lag will give a false concept of set ups and kind of breaks the experience, especially if you're a new guy from the woodwork. I feel that to get anything good out of lag you have to know what the lag is doing. I was and am not entirely too great at that. Caused a few misunderstandings that way. (Sorry. I'm a work in progress.)
And, from what i have experienced, the old school players have been nothing less than polite when approached in a respectful manner. These people don't bite, but do require standard communication skills. (I know. Generation "text each other while in the same room". Perish the thought) I suppose my input to the third question is more aimed at my noob brethren. The mods, and the (notice the 'and'... i'm not calling all mods or better players old) old school players, are the guys who know how to play the game, and they are kind of doing the best they can as far as communication goes. The simple fact of the matter is, they know more about this than we do. I was in a different forum regarding a different game, and a player expressed how he felt the moderator he was speaking to was being a snob... I suppose one can possibly draw that conclusion when we are given a different perspective constantly from one who knows more than we do and i'm almost positive such a conversation has taken place in other places. (I used to teach Martial Arts... It has happened to me.) I think that we shouldn't see correction as snobbery as much as it is what is is. Correction. "You're wrong", might be a little harsh, but then again, Mr. Myagi came across the wrong way making Daniel-San fixing his yard to teach him how to defend himself. (disclaimer: No mod has ever used such blunt language on this website to my knowledge) The fact is, us newschool guys should listen and take in stride what we get from the older generation because, look. They've been at this longer. We should also take our opinions and not see them as truth because, being noobs, we dont know it all, and when we suck it up and realize the correction is actually a good thing, communication between generations wouldn't be so difficult. Just a thought.
In responce to the last question: Mr. xXxgEnEr!cAn!mErEfEreNcExXx is a beast. He can mix up 1A and 66B,B, and the grabs, Hates. Get it straight. He's a beast at Soul Calibur... Especially while downloading porn to create an artificial lag... And IF by some chance, this Mitsurugi GOD loses, its because he's curing cancer and having sex with super models...
 
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