Hate Speech War Report: Final Round XV

I'm normally pretty forgiving of issues on the organizer side, and I admit being sick the entire weekend may have colored my view of the event, but this was likely my last Final Round.

My experience ... I ended up having my pool assignment shuffled more than once. Each time, I was given the impression that my pool was the next to be run, so obviously I'm not going to wander off. I only know I was moved around because I would sneak looks at the bracket or ask someone else who just saw it. The staff did allow us to see eventually, but near the beginning they basically said, "If we didn't call you for a match, go away." How are we supposed to know what pool we're in if we can't see? Especially considering one of the main rules posted was to be at your assigned pool or risk disqualification.

When my pool started, I played most of my matches in a reasonable time period. However, once I lost to Omega in winners finals, I had to wait for the losers bracket to finish. This wouldn't be a big deal if it wasn't for the fact that the entire bracket was held up by one guy for multiple hours. I'm not sure there was ever any intention of DQ'ing him, but interestingly enough, as soon as the missing player showed up, his opponent (Hates, who had gotten tired of waiting and stepped out) suddenly was on a "two minutes to DQ" clock.

Final Round did have a good amount of stations (12, in four tables of three), but about half of them weren't even used by the time it got to my pool. Yet they threatened to kick us out for trying to stay warmed up by playing casuals during our long wait. So, I had to just stand there looking at six unused stations for four hours. I could understand if they were still trying to run the tournament, but as far as I could tell no other pools were going on.

The "highlight" for me was getting shoved by what I presume was a staff member (unless they let just anyone transport the tournament monitors, in which case disregard this paragraph). There wasn't much room to walk, so what people did was make single file lines and follow each other, like first graders going to the cafeteria. I was in one of these lines, walking forward when I could, when I felt a nudge. I thought, okay, it's cramped, no big deal. Then I felt a hand on my back and was forcefully pushed; I actually stumbled forward a step, almost hitting the guy in front of me. I turn and glare at the guy the guy behind me and say, "Really?!" He quickly shuffles past me, avoiding eye contact. I know the staff has a lot of volunteers, but be more selective in the future. Actions like that reflect poorly on the entire event.

Really, the only good things to come from that weekend were that I was able to put faces to some of the new screen names I've seen around and that I got to see a lot of the old ones again. Atlanta always has strong competition and knows how to bring the hype, and I hope to see you guys more often. It just won't be at Final Round.
 
Yes imo that was the worst run FR ever. There's nothing I can really say to make up for the horrible job I did as an organizer on saturday. It wasn't that we didn't care or put effort behind scv/3d games. We got 250+ in SCV and we got bum rushed. we also had 170+ in KOF13 and 400+ in umvc3 and ae running on the same day. Besides Evo no other tournament in america has EVER had that size of a problem. Not to make an excuse because I will say saturday was a cluster f%$#, but we did put more set ups' on the capcom side just to help move them along faster.

It helped a little bit but the problem was we didn't have enough equipment/staff to handle the amount of people that attended FRXV. That was the main problem imo. The lack of equipment/staff lead to all of the stress/bs. Or maybe I should say the lack of set ups that was freaking updated!!!!!!!!!! Spending time uploading the correct patch slowed crap down also. These are things that are normally not a problem at fr, but was a problem this year for various reasons.

Evo still uses paper brackets. Paper brackets had nothing to do with it the delays imo. The application of the paper bracket method at FRXV was flawed because we should have broken it down into smaller pools instead of a huge 254 man bracket! That was the flaw in using paper brackets imo. That would have been a problem using the computer also. We wanted to use the 256 bracket to give that effect of the 1st almost full 256 man bracket for SCV like we did at FRXII for SF4! It backfired as it was more of a hassle to run that huge bracket and I think people didn't enjoy nor like that huge paper bracket.

Of course SCV will only get bigger in attendance across the community but with this being the 1st time SCV has filled out that size of a bracket I thought it would be cool to have the 256 bracket. Obviously that was a wrong choice because at FRXII only tekken got close to those numbers at 191 man tournament, so it was easier to handle only 2 big tournaments on the same day (Sf4 vanilla had 256 and T5dr had 191) unlike this year when we had 2 tournaments over 400 players, 1 at 250+, and another at 170+ running on the same day.

The only problem with paper brackets are when you have them made and then atleast 80-100 people show up at the door and ruin the brackets you made! But that a problem with any event that has at the door registration because when you have a set amount of people pre reg online and then 400 more come to the door it throws all of your brackets/pools out the window in every game!

That would ruin your computer brackets also as you would have to balance out the brackets, but it would be easier to form the bracket again on the computer. That is one of the main reasons i'm really thinking about getting rid of at the door registration.

Things are going to change moving forward at FR. FR is not just a 2d based tournament and i'm offended from that remark. FR is a community event that support a gambit of genres of fighting games. From sf to tekken to meltyblood to MK9 to SCV to KOF13 we support the community as a whole! We have supported 3d games for over a decade and tekken has always been a staple of FR.

We had SoulCalibur back in the day when ShadowG use to run the brackets, but when people started to not play soul calibur 4 as much we didn't have it in the line up for a couple of years. Any game that is held at FR that is on the official tournament game list is important to me! Not just capcom fighters, but all games.

I thank you guys for your fair and honest report on your time at FRXV. Everything wasn't roses and there are A LOT OF THINGS THAT NEED TO BE CORRECTED for next years event! I can't do that without your honest post about the event so I can make the proper corrections moving forward. I hope our piss poor effort doesn't scare anyone away from future FR events.

Until next time,

Larry.
 
I'm normally pretty forgiving of issues on the organizer side, and I admit being sick the entire weekend may have colored my view of the event, but this was likely my last Final Round.

My experience ... I ended up having my pool assignment shuffled more than once. Each time, I was given the impression that my pool was the next to be run, so obviously I'm not going to wander off. I only know I was moved around because I would sneak looks at the bracket or ask someone else who just saw it. The staff did allow us to see eventually, but near the beginning they basically said, "If we didn't call you for a match, go away." How are we supposed to know what pool we're in if we can't see? Especially considering one of the main rules posted was to be at your assigned pool or risk disqualification.

When my pool started, I played most of my matches in a reasonable time period. However, once I lost to Omega in winners finals, I had to wait for the losers bracket to finish. This wouldn't be a big deal if it wasn't for the fact that the entire bracket was held up by one guy for multiple hours. I'm not sure there was ever any intention of DQ'ing him, but interestingly enough, as soon as the missing player showed up, his opponent (Hates, who had gotten tired of waiting and stepped out) suddenly was on a "two minutes to DQ" clock.

Final Round did have a good amount of stations (12, in four tables of three), but about half of them weren't even used by the time it got to my pool. Yet they threatened to kick us out for trying to stay warmed up by playing casuals during our long wait. So, I had to just stand there looking at six unused stations for four hours. I could understand if they were still trying to run the tournament, but as far as I could tell no other pools were going on.

The "highlight" for me was getting shoved by what I presume was a staff member (unless they let just anyone transport the tournament monitors, in which case disregard this paragraph). There wasn't much room to walk, so what people did was make single file lines and follow each other, like first graders going to the cafeteria. I was in one of these lines, walking forward when I could, when I felt a nudge. I thought, okay, it's cramped, no big deal. Then I felt a hand on my back and was forcefully pushed; I actually stumbled forward a step, almost hitting the guy in front of me. I turn and glare at the guy the guy behind me and say, "Really?!" He quickly shuffles past me, avoiding eye contact. I know the staff has a lot of volunteers, but be more selective in the future. Actions like that reflect poorly on the entire event.

Really, the only good things to come from that weekend were that I was able to put faces to some of the new screen names I've seen around and that I got to see a lot of the old ones again. Atlanta always has strong competition and knows how to bring the hype, and I hope to see you guys more often. It just won't be at Final Round.
This is a serious problem about people getting floated around. That should never happen period! I wasn't aware of any of that type of stuff happend until jaxel told me about it on sunday or was it late saturday after the event closed. Either way these are things I need to be addressed to during the tournament so I can nip it in the bud. If there's ever a problem like that at my event don't hesitate to stop me and ask me what the deal is with the brackets.

I will go over and handle what needs to be handled to make sure the brackets are good, period! That not going to happen again! I was riping and running all weekend long try to put out fires in all directions, but I missed this fire along with a couple more in other games during FRXV. I understand if you don't ever come back to FR again with that type of crap I can't blame you.
 
Ive been to Final Round the past 2 years in a row. This was my third and last Final Round until someone tells me after next year that it's been improved for the better.

Being told to be at the venue at 10AM and not knowing when(or IF) we are in the brackets AND being unable to find out our status in the bracket because the tournament runner told everyone to get the fuck away EVERY TIME was extremely frustrating.

Like you said Hates - the 2D players had their pool assignments done and posted online the night before which alleviated much of the stress in running their tournament.

Not doing the same for all major games played reeks of un-professionalism and laziness. Registration was closed on Friday afternoon. The organizers had all the information they needed to complete this task on Friday and have it ready to go on Saturday. Whether they were going to do pools or a 250+ bracket - it doesn't matter. They waited day of the tournament and it's a huge part of the reason there were so many problems for our tournament.

There is no excuse for that.


I'm in the exact same boat as you. Not going back until the following year after I hear that they improved.

To be honest, the 2D players had it worse than we did. A lot of the SF4 pools only had ONE tv per pool, UMvC3 pools didn't start until hella late at night, and MK9 pools were just ran real slow. There were so many open stations in MK9, but they weren't used for tournament, just for casuals or just no one playing.

The hotel itself was pretty bad too. I've never heard of a hotel that had no vending machines. If it was late when everything in the hotel and room service was closed, and you were really thirsty, you were pretty much out of luck. Also the hotel was about 40 mins away from the airport. When I had to actually go back to the airport and depart, seeing as my flight was early and the train station was closed, my only option was to pay about $65 just to get back to the airport... Very inconvenient and a waste of money.

As bad as the event was though, it was still fun hanging with everyone and playing with the ATL people because I enjoy their style of play the most. I still manged to get 17th place in SC5 losing to Loloroco in the Losers Finals of my pool in a close match, and getting sent to losers by Thuggish.
 
i had alot to say, and alotta rage to post , mainly because i had to play my best friend first match and we were from the same area, and that just made me furious and i couldnt even play right the whole tournament. but larry's post said everything i wanted to say. shout outs to larry being a trooper and dealing with all this stuff even though his real world problems were much bigger. even if this was the worst FR i ever attended it was still a blast, and nothing will keep me from coming to the next one, or the next one after that, or the one after that. FR is more than a tournament for me and it always will be.
 
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