Hate Speech Theory Fighter University: Tiers

[WARUI_NE]

>omega almost wins
>people think zas doesn't suck
lol

 

[Fuzzieviking]

Dammit Jaxel! I was gonna be the 1st one to ask "what is JFLS?"! Now I would really look like an idiot. I can't click on that link out of principle though so I ask, What is JFLS?

Jew Fros Look Sweet

In all seriousness its funny because if you re-arrange the list slightly;

Throw hilde in the front, Setsuka in front of Ivy, Amy behind Ivy, and Taki in front of Tira, and X behind Cassy.

Its an accurate tierlist for the SC4 wimminz.

 

[Isaiah]

Last time I recall, it used to be Ivy, Taki, then Setsuka, then at the back..... well I dont have to say her name because we all know who has the smallest.

 

[Gabedamien]

...its funny because if you re-arrange the list slightly; Throw hilde in the front, Setsuka in front of Ivy, Amy behind Ivy, and Taki in front of Tira, and X behind Cassy. Its an accurate tierlist for the SC4 wimminz.

So if you just change the positions of 45% of the list, you... wait, that’s actually a significant percentage. :-P

Good article Hates. The only thing I’d add, to avoid confusion, is a more rigorous definition of how tier lists are traditionally constructed; viz., a “qualified” (definition up for debate) person or group of people subjectively grades the rates at which each character, when played to its maximum human potential, wins against each other character (e.g. they score each matchup on a scale of wins out of 10 rounds); those scores are subsequently summed up for each character to yield a single ranked list.

This doesn’t define tiers at all, but it is a useful method which attempts to reduce the amount of hand-waving involved.

 

[Heaton]

Jew Fros Look Sweet.

No, they don't. I know from experience.

If I lose while using Siegfried, I've lost and my opponent has won. My character didn't lose, their character didn't win, the match-up didn't beat me - I lost, they won. Nothing more, nothing less.

As to why I'm still playing Siegfried, though...I guess you could call it dumb character loyalty, or that I'm just stupidly stubborn. The romantic reason is that I've been playing Siegfried since I was 7, all the way back in Soul Blade, so there's a sense of history and nostalgia to go along with him. So it's more of a emotional reason than a logical reason for why I'm still playing him, but I'll continue to play him even if he ends up bottom tier in SCV (he won't.)

One good thing I can say on playing lower tiers - GENERALLY SPEAKING, you have to think outside the box a little bit more than with higher tiers. As Hates said, this doesn't apply to all high tiers at all, just some. However, when you get a high tier character who IS easy to use, you don't really have to think or do much outside of your EasyPunish®, EasyCombo™, and EasyRingout©. Generally speaking, the opposite is also true - some mid tiers don't have EasyPunish®, and they have to think outside the box a bit more.

For example, Siegfried doesn't have any "good" lows, so I was forced to abuse the shit out of his grabs and mix them up with similar speed mids. Since this is Soulcalibur, and all throws (non-command) are the same speed, this is something that could theoretically carry over to any character (who doesn't have tiny ass T-rex arms - Sophitia and Voldo!) regardless of tier placing. So I could take this strategy I developed with Siegfried and use it with Mitsurgui, or Cervantes, or Ivy or Astaroth - the latter two obviously gaining the most benefit from this style, but the point being is that I can use it with just about anyone who has a normal or longer grab range.

Another Siegfried player post, another wall of text...