Hate Speech: Stop Playing (Mindgames) With Yourself

[enigma]

Absolutely fantastic article couldn't have come at a better time.

One thing I find myself battling with other than the 4 points already mentioned is letting myself get bogged down with the information I don't know. I'm fairly new to the knowledge of frame data, how to implement mix ups, match up info and just the core of fighting games as a whole. I've always just been the pickup and play type up until I started playing Marvel 3. For instance I still don't understand how people know the commands for other characters moves and what they look like unless they actually play that character.

Another thing that tends to get me in a negative mind set is when the character I play is considered mid to low tier and is constantly put down for the tools they lack or the things they can do but other characters can do better or with less work. I main Ivy and have since SCII and shes quite different in V and to hear all the negative reviews and see all the depressing forum posts got me kind of down. Like no matter how hard I would try to improve it wont matter because Ivy is near terrible, and the beatings I took online didn't help either. It took till I played another Ivy player to break my loosing streak but I digress. It takes allot to get yourself out of that self defeat-us attitude when your constantly being reminded of what you cant do.

Sorry for the dissertation, its my first post guess I had allot to say

 

[lobo]

enigma...the game is new. take all the negative tier posts and ignore the shit out of them.

we have no clue what the tier list looks like as of now. anyone who tells you otherwise is wrong. play who you like, and learn to play them well. set his/her place on the tier list.

 

[Dr. Hates]

so, hates, do you recommend learning the movelist in and out first?

Not necessarily as an absolute first step to learning a character, and certainly not as a first step to learning a game. I mean, my own introduction to competitive SC back in the day was Michael Jackson popping a couple of tokens in the SC2 machine and telling me to "pick Nightmare, do this move--3(B)--a lot."

That said, I do think having an intimate knowledge of one's movelist is an absolute prerequisite to reaching the highest levels of play, and there does come a point, once you're operationally competent with your character and have a general sense of what it is you're trying to do, that it becomes necessary to go back and really get that deep understanding of your moves in order to move forward.

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Don't get too down about tier stuff. Lobo's right, it's too early to make definitive pronouncements about much, and besides that, most people aren't skilled enough to really speak meaningfully about tiers, anyway, since most of the subtleties come out at the absolute highest levels. This is one of the reason I say very little on the subject.

Moreover, you're just getting your first dose of a long, hallowed tradition of Ivy players bitching about how awful their character is. This will continue for the first year or so, until such time as Ivy players win or at least crack the top 3 of every major. It's an endless cycle, poetic and beautiful.

 

[HercGossKuehn]

Never f***ing be arrogant. I've lost so many times when, especially in Tekken, but also in SCV. Where after I'm just completely dominanting, I'll f*** around, jumping, backflips, doing taunts, then I'll get killed, then lose.

Never underestimate; Fight until you completely win or lose.
Excellent post though.

 

[enigma]

lobo said:

the game is new. take all the negative tier posts and ignore the shit out of them.

Hates said:

Don't get too down about tier stuff. Lobo's right, it's too early to make definitive pronouncements about much, and besides that, most people aren't skilled enough to really speak meaningfully about tiers, anyway, since most of the subtleties come out at the absolute highest levels. This is one of the reason I say very little on the subject.

Your both make a great point I just been trying to focus on my love for the character. It was brought up earlier but playing with a character you truly like does help motivate you.

Hates said:

you're just getting your first dose of a long, hallowed tradition of Ivy players bitching about how awful their character is. This will continue for the first year or so, until such time as Ivy players win or at least crack the top 3 of every major. It's an endless cycle, poetic and beautiful.

That's what I keep hearing, well shes already won two so I guess its only a matter of time at this point.