Hate Speech: Sharing is Caring (For Yourself)

[Signia]

This is really odd. I was wondering what was up, since the only people that ever punished it at DEV were lolo and Omega, and they didn't (or couldn't) punish it all that hard - lolo used Yoshi's 6K, and Omega used Zas's bK or BB4. Honestly, I just thought that people were trying to do either SC damage or set up mix-ups or something. Even weirder is that I never got TAS B'd for it against any Sophie users, and I played all of them that were at DEV...I think Vincent may have AS B'd me once, though.

Those are actually the best punishes.

The reason you don't get TAS B'd for it is the blockstun is short. It's hard enough punishing anything -16 with TAS B. 1B isn't a gimmick, lol. You think I didn't know it was unsafe? I was tired that night from the tourney and rave. I did challenge you to the money match regardless because of the matchup and the fact that I'm cocky bastard that was salty about casuals.

I think you overestimate -16 with that blockstun LOL it's almost as bad as trying to punish Ivy 9B.

 

[Heaton]

Oh man, ya'll salty. That part in parenthesis is kind of important:

(or couldn't)

Also, on not punishing with TAS B, I'll give you, the buffer is a bit tricky, but it's A) at least 50 damage, B) up to 80 damage if you're a pro and get just frames all day, C) safe, and D) Soul Crushes in 15. There's no way I can step it, even if I wasn't at -16 - I can't fathom a reason NOT to try to go for it.

But whatever, if you think I'm overestimating the frames, more reason to throw it out.

EDIT: Also the original focus of my post was that pretty much nobody punished it all, not that lolo and Omega can't punish it for much.

 

[Nirf]

Heaton, there are a ton of moves that almost never get punished even in tournaments, so it's really not that amazing. It's just you probably don't know the frame data of every single move for that many characters, so you aren't aware of it. There are probably -16 moves that you rarely punish with B6. E.g. Voldo's 3A, some people whore this out and it's -16. Kilik's 1B is -16, I never seen this punished. Etc.

 

[damn-I-Suck]

I always knew 1B was unsafe the first day I used it! I didn't know or care about the frame data, but if the AI punishes it, then it's unsafe. Not his best move, not his worst. I only throw that move out when I think my opponent will be crouched. It's a "once in a blue moon" kind of move for me.

 

[HajimeOwari]

I can finally contribute. As Lolo displayed recently, Yoshi is one solid character with a ridiculous amount of gimmicks as well. Playing him efficiently became finding a balance of playing intelligently (read: using brain power) and capitalizing on the ignorance of the opponent.

Had I not shared all my information with NorCal, I would likely be a gimmick-reliant player today, as opposed to a thinking one. I'm sure Hates can attest to this, since he had to deal with the mounds of bullshit I threw at him.