Game of Thrones Discussion Thread (Books and Show)

Considering the fact that she has been abusively raised by a man known for ordering the murder of babies and extinction of Houses, lost her mother at an early age, and had her ambitions crushed by said abusive father, you can't really completely shit on her. She is lied to (in her mind) by her family and anyone remotely close to her(for example, Genna and Tywin telling her she would marry Rhaegar) and she is haunted by an old woman detailing her death and the death of her children. Cersei has been condemned for being a strong female in a world of male dominance, she has been beaten and maritally raped, and she has developed a twisted sense of self, mainly due to a lack of role models/moral development as a child.

So yeah, Cersei is crazy, but there is a reason for her madness. It's not entirely justifiable, but she is literally just repeating and enacting everything she "learned" from Tywin.
I agree with you on these points; I certainly see that she's sympathetic. But I think you overstretch a little - Daenerys, for example, has also had a difficult life; so has Tyrion, for many of the same reasons as Cersei. The difference we see between these characters is that Daenerys and Tyrion rise to meet and overcome their challenges, becoming better people - and not to mention more competent leaders - in the process. Cersei believes that people's lack of respect is because she is a woman, and some of it probably is, but Daenerys already leads a vast and devoted army and the people of Westeros love Margaery; the real reason Cersei has no-one's respect is because she is an incompetent and vindictive ruler. So as I say, I see that she is a sympathetic character, and I definitely find her interesting; I don't dislike her, really, so much as I find her seeming popularity confusing (I suppose it will be for different reasons than the ones we're talking about). It is a stretch, though, to blame just Tywin and the circumstances of her birth for her personality and behaviour. Indeed, if we do, don't we then also have to blame Cersei for all of Joffrey's excesses?
 
I agree with you on these points; I certainly see that she's sympathetic. But I think you overstretch a little - Daenerys, for example, has also had a difficult life; so has Tyrion, for many of the same reasons as Cersei. The difference we see between these characters is that Daenerys and Tyrion rise to meet and overcome their challenges, becoming better people - and not to mention more competent leaders - in the process. Cersei believes that people's lack of respect is because she is a woman, and some of it probably is, but Daenerys already leads a vast and devoted army and the people of Westeros love Margaery; the real reason Cersei has no-one's respect is because she is an incompetent and vindictive ruler. So as I say, I see that she is a sympathetic character, and I definitely find her interesting; I don't dislike her, really, so much as I find her seeming popularity confusing (I suppose it will be for different reasons than the ones we're talking about). It is a stretch, though, to blame just Tywin and the circumstances of her birth for her personality and behaviour. Indeed, if we do, don't we then also have to blame Cersei for all of Joffrey's excesses?
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Sooo, tonight's episode. One big thing that I don't really like is that they're changing up Arya's story. The Hound should be dying from Raff the Tickler's wound if I'm not mistaken. Although, the dialogue between the two is pretty funny. They're most likely moving Arya's story back for later in the season, like Arya abandoning the Hound in Episode 9 and then leaving for Braavos after showing the sailors the coin in Episode 10.

What do you guys think?
 
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