Existential Crisis Relief Thread

Jimbonator

[14] Master
Now while some of the users on 8WR are far too young to experience such things yet lets have a refuge for those crises we tend to have as we mature. This is where we pour our problems out about who we are and what we are. We need a hub for philosophy here and lets start it here. Maybe some of you can say who your favorite philosopher is and how he got you through your mental issues. (Unless you pick Nietzsche you loser) I'm here for you, WE ARE HERE FOR YOU, let it out friend.
 
Why do you think Nietzsche fans are losers?

Anyways.... Philosophy enabled me to overcome my religious upbringing.

During this difficult transition, life went from being full of meaning to having absolutely no meaning. It sent me into a deep depression. It took me years to finally come to grips with the fact that after death there is nothing.

I was still young at the time, probably 15. I tried to push my ideas on other people, and so they pushed me aside. This made me very lonely as a teenager, not just because I had few friends, but mostly because nobody else thought like me.

There's something special about the way Nietzsche's books are written. It captured me, and sent me into tears of joy. I know the original text was in German, and I only speak English. I've been told that the translators did an excellent job recreating the essence and style of his original texts. His words were empowering to me, full of passion.

His notion of the "overman" now became a new direction for me. "Man is something to be overcome", implying that one day mankind will evolve into something greater than Man. Also, his "will to power", shed light on the seemingly strange motives that people have sometimes. We all seek power, and power comes in many forms.

A transition from theism to atheism can often times lead people to nihilism. He warns us against nihilism, saying that it is detrimental to mankind. He speaks of a "transvaluation of all values" coming out of this age of nihilism than he predicted we are heading into. Or put another say "Taking traditional Christian values and standing them on their head".

In the long run, I became a much happier person because of this. He taught me how to accept things for what they are, and make the best out of it. I no longer take life for granted, and no longer look to the divine for answers.
 
Why do you think Nietzsche fans are losers?

Anyways.... Philosophy enabled me to overcome my religious upbringing.

During this difficult transition, life went from being full of meaning to having absolutely no meaning. It sent me into a deep depression. It took me years to finally come to grips with the fact that after death there is nothing.

I was still young at the time, probably 15. I tried to push my ideas on other people, and so they pushed me aside. This made me very lonely as a teenager, not just because I had few friends, but mostly because nobody else thought like me.

I want you to re-read the above paragraph objectively. Can you see why some people might think Nietzsche fans are losers? I had a friend who liked Nietzsche in high school, he was a nice guy and funny but he was often a downer. He's fine today, but I want you to know that I know a little bit about Nietzsche and I'm not speaking out of animosity here.

Also, Nietzsche was a lonely, depressed young man, who created a lot of his own problems in life (such as his torturous syphilis, not that anyone deserves to suffer that but I'm pretty sure God would not have approved of the brothel visits that gave him said syphilis anyhow) and who's legacy would be to ensure that many other young people would spend their formative years lonely and depressed. Nietzsche himself may have advocated against nihilism, but I think you can see if you think about it how many of his adages taken on their own might seem nihilistic to people. Though people often misquote Nietzsche and you have that to work against public perception of you too. A lot of atheists themselves are fond of simply saying "God is dead", but Nietzsche said something to the effect of "we killed him, he existed in every thing that's beautiful." which is a far more profound quote in my opinion even if it doesn't fit on a t-shirt.

I'm happy that you're happier, but when it comes to pushing your beliefs on others, a lot of atheists never get past that stage. They spend the entire rest of their lives being smug, angry, judgmental, acerbic people, often with superiority complexes. Even if they grow out of it, the people they met at that nasty stage probably don't have the best impression. So once again I hope you can understand why you see negative public perception. The ones who rail annually against Christmas for example. You'd think they could like it for no other reason than everyone is a little nicer around Christmas time but no, nothing about religion is excusable, even the good stuff. To that end I think it's great that you can be tolerant. I think tolerance is a necessary component of any person, and a boon to any belief. If you would be a christian or an atheist then at least be a balanced christian or an atheist. I think the angry adherents of any philosophy, who go around evangelizing and tearing down others are bad examples of humanity in general and poor representatives for their beliefs. Who would want to be like them?

I guess though, people are going to always be at the mercy of whoever gives them their ideals. I can also see why there might be atheists who seem to think all religion needs to be wiped off the face of the planet. For my part, I was lucky that as a catholic I had good priests. They taught us, me and the other kids going there, the value of tolerance, mercy, compassion, they even told us to ask questions of our faith. They stressed adherence to Christ's ideals more than adherence to dogma. Father Steve I recall expressly said that. They made good logical arguments, they probably taught me how to speak publicly and debate, and they stressed the value of words and concepts and a reliance on ourselves rather than divine intervention. To this day I remember homilies that included phrases like "You can not love apple pie, because apple pie can not love you back" and "God did not build Noah the ark". I suppose I'm also lucky that the church holds a figurative interpretation of the bible. If I was told I had to literally believe that the earth was made in six days, all the animals in the world boarded a boat or that god sends bears to eat children for calling bald men bald then I'd probably find religion incompatible with reason too. And if I did accept all that... I would probably be an unreasonable person. I feel sorry for the atheist kid who grows out of, and grows up in, that kind of environment.
 
I can see why people think Nietzsche fans are losers, but that doesn't mean I agree with it. I find the reasoning behind this misguided and ill-informed.

To make a blanket statement like "All Nietzsche fans are losers", is not only ignorant, but also quite offensive.

Let me give you a little history. I was always an outsider, not by intention, but by nature's design. I tried to fit in just like every kid does, and instead was given endless ridicule for being that "dork". It was because of the inspiration I got from Nietzsche's books that motivated me to find common ground with people. This wasn't initially mind you, it took some time for adjustment. Bottom line is, like Nietzsche said, we all seek power. Being lonely renders you essentially powerless, and it was this will to power that was the catalyst I needed for change. Instead of dwelling on the negative, or the differences between me and others, I started looking for common interests I had with other people and it slowly evolved from there.

From where I was 15 years ago, I've come a long way towards being more socially viable. Sure, I'm no smooth talker, and I get nervous around pretty women, but I have enough confidence in myself now to reach out for what I want and obtain it, without excessive hesitation, or doubt.
 
18 years old here, and i guess i do feel the pointlessness of life sometimes. your a child, you grow up, you work, you retire, then you die. i guess you could fill up experiences in between those events but, you get your 75 years out of the billions of years the universe has been existing then you're nothing. depressing right?
 
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