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It's just a normal backthrow to start the sequence, right? There's nothing special about the input, right?
 
hmm, i don't know if that is scepticism or sarcasm i detect from you xiang, so my apologies if you really don't know and want to know(but something tells me you may very well know)...the fact is, i don't use Viola so maybe my first mention in my last paragraph could be off so again, my apologies... so i don't exactly know "how" its performed... regardless; if it calls for something "special" to do it or not but with some practice, it can be performed by anyone, that's a fact... i didn't use Hilde in SC4 either, but she as a character was completely banned because of her ToD's and her ToD's needed charges which i guess can be noted as "special" and needed a certain "timing" to them as well... so.

Edit: overall the fact/point is it exists, just as Hilde's charge ToD's did, so if its sarcasm on your part, your making yourself sound like your defending something that has no right/ belongs being there in the first place, and this is what a great deal of the existing tourney players see it has...i am a competitor in this game even though i cannot afford to make all these majors like others can, that doesn't make me a non-competitor, just means i am limited on cash, and for the record i have attended many tourney's in the past offline locally and out of state... has Project Souls clarified at all if it was intended to be in the game? or if its a glitch?
 
I was under the presumption that it was a normal backthrow, which is why I was asking. (I don't play Viola.) If it's not, and it requires a special input, then a ban is really easy since the player has to intentionally do that set of inputs to get the infinite to occur, and my point is mostly moot.

If not, and it's just a normal backthrow, things get really sticky. It's a pretty hardcore nerf to ban her backthrow outright, so that's probably not in the cards. If you ban anything after the first occurrence of the grab, you'd pretty much have to allow at least one type of follow-up because trying to reset positions or something is extremely hard (and annoying) to regulate mid-match. Inevitably, you're going to get players that will cry "hey, he went too far with that...!"

Personally, I don't like it and would like to see it gone, but I see it as something along the lines of a RO, and if you try to ban it or regulate it I think you're stepping into some really murky water that's going to result in some controversial outcomes. Ultimately, whatever the community decides is what will be, and I'll adhere to that.

Again, though, if it's a special input, intentions can't really be hidden in such a case, so this argument would be moot.
 
Just allow ONE followup after the backthrow. That way the chip/RO doesn't become a problem and the Viola player can still get free pressure off of it(or a free combo, I havent had it happen to me yet. Did not see the Partisan match either, but it should definitely be banned in some way).
 
xiang said:
I was under the presumption that it was a normal backthrow, which is why I was asking. (I don't play Viola.) If it's not, and it requires a special input, then a ban is really easy since the player has to intentionally do that set of inputs to get the infinite to occur, and my point is mostly moot.

If not, and it's just a normal backthrow, things get really sticky. It's a pretty hardcore nerf to ban her backthrow outright, so that's probably not in the cards. If you ban anything after the first occurrence of the grab, you'd pretty much have to allow at least one type of follow-up because trying to reset positions or something is extremely hard (and annoying) to regulate mid-match. Inevitably, you're going to get players that will cry "hey, he went too far with that...!"

Personally, I don't like it and would like to see it gone, but I see it as something along the lines of a RO, and if you try to ban it or regulate it I think you're stepping into some really murky water that's going to result in some controversial outcomes. Ultimately, whatever the community decides is what will be, and I'll adhere to that.

Again, though, if it's a special input, intentions can't really be hidden in such a case, so this argument would be moot.
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We're just talking about her infinite which you have to be deliberate in doing. I also don't see it along the lines of a ring out. At least with a ring out, you have to be setup for it. Tokido was able to just start the round using a CE, and do the infinite for the win, eliminating Partisan from EVO in the process using only 3 reps to get him to the ring edge for the kill. That's silly.
 
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