Dead or Alive 5 Ultimate

Helena's up there because of her huge arsenal of guaranteed forced techs and there's no real defense against that (something that may change in the future).
Without said techs she would be garbage. There are plenty of defenses though. It's worth noting that hand slaps result in a psuedo tech, not a true tech. The first thing you can do, if knocked down, is tech yourself. Since most of her quickest followup options are linear, sidestepping after you tech is a good bet. The second is to space and keep her out of your face because her ability to get in on you isn't the best and the third is to block more and wait to punish. She's unsafe and slow and lacks any unblockable moves or unbreakable throws. People are too quick to throw out phrases like "no real defense against that."

Here's a nice example of anti-Helena play. It's not flawless either, which just goes to show you don't need to be a Jedi master to beat somebody playing Helena.
Gimmie a sec here.
 
In general, the VF characters have better frame data than the DOA characters due to Sega insisting that they not be changed much.

That said, we're only just starting to build the match-up chart so we won't have a proper, logical tier list any time soon.
 
something offtopic....had to post this sry..

Blue serape outfit coming to doa 5 as DLC?

I dunno how to feel about an improved version of NG3 considering I have no plans to buy a wiiU. The previous version was such a disappointment too. Maybe if it shows up for the other two consoles I'll start to get interested.

By the same token I'm starting to feel some shenanigans regarding the release if a new version of DOA5. Please tell me I can get all the stuff bring added without needing to buy a separate SKU... This talk of the old DLC being compatible with the new game puts a bit of dread in me...

On the bright side, I think we all knew how clearly a beach was missing. Beautiful beaches have been a staple of Doa going back to at least 3.
 
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