Dead or Alive 5 Ultimate

[EternalArcadia]

From the perspective of most competitive players the core mechanics of Dead or Alive–the holds and excessive hit stuns–are broken. They make nearly every action performed by either player a total guessing game. This sort of system will probably never be viable as a tournament fighter, if only because it creates an inverted skill ceiling where as a player gets better their options within the game become more limited. That’s not the kind of thing a competitive player wants to work toward.


Really, so every counter I have managed to do in DOA has been a Lucky guess ?

I have to say, if they want to make holds/counters atleast a little safe, they should make the button to block throws and kicks the same. In DOA4, Kasumi often uses a middle throw or a middle kick. They should make it where you can do 4F to block both kicks and punches, so that you won't have to use 6F2F for middle kicks. It definitely is guessing game stuff. Also, the AI in 4 typically counters every freaking move. Just my little complaint there.

 

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Just because it's a guess doesn't mean you have to be lucky to get it right. There are other factors involved. The bottom line, though, is that you're always guessing. That is bad design for a competitive game.

 

[UNDERX]

Just because it's a guess doesn't mean you have to be lucky to get it right. There are other factors involved. The bottom line, though, is that you're always guessing. That is bad design for a competitive game.

I'm sorry I disagree - you are not always guessing. Yes DOA is fast but there are plenty of moves you see coming. And than you "react" to them!

 

[EternalArcadia]

I'm sorry I disagree - you are not always guessing. Yes DOA is fast but there are plenty of moves you see coming. And than you "react" to them!

It is a major reaction game more than a guessing game. Most combos start with a middle punch or middle kick. Things like that can help you when it comes to what hold you'll use.

 

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Reacting to everything is humanly impossible. The game is built around guessing, even competitive players have acknowledged that.