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@Solo When I say gameplay I mean like how they shortened everyones' move list and it feels kinda watered-down. Also not being able to shake stuns, rolling made super unsafe, and a certian character made very unsafe (IMO). Also story mode could have been so much better and with less plot holes. I mean holy shoot! So many holes!

Who's the certain character? I have no opinion on the story mode though. All you'll get out of me is "The story mode does it's job, it tells a story." or something very similar to that.

@AJV Mitsurugi especially because he was awesome in SC2 and SCIV, but in SCV he's so boring & OP. Story Mode being horrible.

@Solo Um...Siegfried (IMO). Though some things about him are better (like his just B move being a guard breaker now). Though I know he was always unsafe but not that they nerfed his stances it's not a easy to trick people like it was in 4. @Frayhua Yes! He was so cool back then. I had some major repect for good Mitsu players back in 4 since he was pretty indepth too. Also he looked cooler back then Imo.

@AJV: The main things I can think of that are better is 1K, 22A, and WR B. He is actually safer for certain attacks on this game but some is his safe moves from SCIV where made stab punishable (SCH KK).

For his stance tricks in this game they only work on people who don't attack on wake up. I like to do stance shenanigans after 2(A+B) because it's a move people like to get up after. I can do a SRSH mix up or I can do SCH B for guard gauge damage. There are many more, they just require you set them up in odd ways.

The shortened moveset applies heavily to Leixia, and Alpha Patroklos, but of course I'm only saying this because I play them, and a lot of my favorite tools from SCIV were removed, but of course I can understand that PS were at least trying to make the moveset and characters slightly different from their predecessors.

I would say Yoshimitsu, Xiba, Leixia, and Siegfried.

@jtdam09 For A. Pat 4A is absolute garbage on CH, 44A is 4A, but more unsafe, 66A not going into full BT, no umbrella, and doesn't damage opponents mysteriously.

I don't see why people are making a big deal about the umbrella. It's a cosmetic factor. I don't get it.

@Solo Setsuka is the best character period, iUmbrella ~ JF Twister would be awesome and she needs to be EXTREMELY OP.

Are you just trolling now? Anyways OP characters aren't ever fun. I like to work for my wins.

@Solo I'm not trolling. Exactly, OP characters aren't fun like X in SC3 or Mitsu in SCV. I work for my wins too, but Setsuka is an exception because she's the best and needs to be OP. It will be fun when Setsuka is OP.

@Solo Good points all around about Siegfried and I gotta agree with ya on most of your points there.

I say no to more OP characters! It's bad enough to have my main accused of being OP by noobs then have more OP characters... D:

@Solo The concept of "sword hidden under an everyday object" was the essence of the character, and the style itself, especially when you compare to people like Mitsunari from Sengoku Basara, Blazblue's Jin, and Dynasty Warrior's Zhou Tai.

All contain Battojutsu styles, but Setsuka's umbrella provided a great twist that made the others too cliche. But still, I have at least been able to adapt to A.Pat and gladly accept it along the way.

@Frayhua you are the Lang of Setsuka, and I mean that in a bad way. You say Setsuka should be OP for your own personal liking, yet you complain about Xianghua and Mitsurugi "being OP".

@Frayhua: Your statement makes no sense.
@AJV: I agree.
@jtdam: I have no opinion on that matter.

@jtdam09 That's different because I want the real 4A & 4K on CH. I want to successfully frame trap someone. She needs more moves. I'm not complaining about X & Mitsu being OP. It's fact and it wouldn't be fun to use characters that I liked to get easy wins. That would make me a bad player which I'm not.

I still don't see a reason as to why she should be "OP". At least, according to you, she has to be.

She was fine the way she was, and so is A.Pat: Difficult to play as and to play against.