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Empty, her 1A can be 1AA, which makes it safer, its i30ish indeed, the thing is, its a good tool. you use it counter other peoples attacks like paper rock scissors, that what ALL the top 4 can do, cept algol, he is just cheap.

tira is C tier in jolly, S tier in Gloomy...

youngfox used raphael, another low tier at ECT4 and did a great job

.... 1AA is still -22 regardless of whether or not you use the first or second shot. I don't think any good pyrrha will be relying on an i30 low that's -22 on block.

Raph ain't low tier... has the best backdash killer in the game...

How is she S tier in gloomy? You're just spouting stuff and the insubstantiality of it all is staggering.

-sigh- one good move does not an effective character make.

raph also has amazing range, and speed out the wazzoo, and if you are constantly trying to STEP him to get his WEAKNESS, its easy to kill a stepper. Makes your enemy predictable.

well, this conversation was really nice and i hope something like this can happen again but for today i gotta go.

one good move? 44B TC, 3B launches super combo, B+K health stealing impact, 4K super fast, combos with 666B BE, 236K BE super long range, 3a BE, A+B, not to mention other shit she has.

<_< And he has a super stance with a 20 frame transition, strings that are steppable/duckable mid-string, mediocre damage, etc. But they need to remove a great part of his every move damage, mainly his 236B move

..How much health does that actually steal?

Long range + linearity = effectiveness? Nowait it = Siegfried lawl.

in case you wonder about omega's DNS B, on B, the delay between the B and :4 is 182 milliseconds, frames are 16.666~ milliseconds, now if you consider the 236236, thats where the added frames from the i15 are, IF you consider the step, but if you are only considering the B to impact, its 11 frames...

World champion Omega vs Keev, Sieg vs Nightmare, Nightmare top was top tourn winner, who won? Sieg...

<_< So if you can input 236236 in one frame, which you can't, then it hits on i12. The time for the actual move is irrelevant if the fastest input is however many frames.

e__e So Sieg is broken now? Because Omega used him in ONE set and beat out a Nightmare. Gotcha. Because no Sieg has ever beaten a Nightmare. Or any other character for that matter.

Because 5/5 match ups are broken.

DNS I dont consider to be part of the move, thats like saying nightmares NSS K is like 30 frames because you have to go into stance first, so... you are wrong?