Dead or Alive 5 Ultimate

[JAGTHEGEMINI]

Alright, so let's say Helena did have TOO good frames. You want them to nerf a character that DOA characters SHOULD be like? And what would you even nerf? There's nothing left that wouldn't crush Helena. Nerf her lows? Horrible character. Most her stun extenders/starters are her lows. Please, do tell what you want them to nerf. I think you need to adapt against Helena.

Yes, I was especially talking about her lows which are insanely! good no matter if it´s from the bokuho stance, sidestep or from normal stance. But why are you talking about nerfing her? How about make make all lows in the game just as awesome!?

Then don't complain if you're losing. If you believe your personal style is better than what good tools the game gives you, then you've forfeited the right to bitch about what you can or can't do.

Adaptation is the very core of development in the FGC. If you can't adapt, then everybody's just going to leave you behind, and you'll have no one to blame but yourself.

Of course I can complain if I want! It doesn´t even have anything to do with me winning or loosing, it´s about a personal playstile! What so special about "adaptation" guys, an efficient and personal playstile is imo more improtant.

@DrakeAldan.

If there won´t be any patches in the future, then Rachel will be high or top-tier. Thats´my honest prediction.

 

[Ninjaguy446]

Yes, I was especially talking about her lows which are insanely! good no matter if it´s from the bokuho stance, sidestep or from normal stance. But why are you talking about nerfing her? How about make make all lows in the game just as awesome!?

You said, "Large update maybe coming in October? I hope so, Helena and Rachel are really strong." It was implied you thought Helena and Rachel needed to be nerfed. Mentioning them and saying they're really strong doesn't necessarily convey you wanting to buff everyone else.

 

[Force_of_Nature]

Yes, I was especially talking about her lows which are insanely! good no matter if it´s from the bokuho stance, sidestep or from normal stance. But why are you talking about nerfing her? How about make make all lows in the game just as awesome!?

Of course I can complain if I want! It doesn´t even have anything to do with me winning or loosing, it´s about a personal playstile! What so special about "adaptation" guys, an efficient and personal playstile is imo more improtant.

You can still play Ein according to your own "personal playstile", you just won't be as effective because of your stubbornness. If you don't know what's so special about adaptation then you're not playing fighting games properly. Adaptation is the essence of competitive fighting games. Adapt or die.

Giving everyone lows like Helena would turn the game into a Low spamfest and would defeat the point of Helena's individuality. Helena's strong but she's not OP (though her BKO duck is fucking annoying) and is perfectly fine offline. If you're having trouble against her, you're probably having trouble against other characters too. On the otherhand, Helena is unbearable to fight in lag though.

However, I do admit that Rachel could use some tweaking, but also suspect that people may just need to get accustomed to fighting her. In her case, I welcome a few adjustments.

 

[Xernuht]

Of course I can complain if I want! It doesn´t even have anything to do with me winning or loosing, it´s about a personal playstile! What so special about "adaptation" guys, an efficient and personal playstile is imo more improtant.

... Okay, first off: if your personal playstyle is efficient and exactly how you want to play your character, you're horribly lucky.

Otherwise, your opinion is yours alone. Adapting to the game allows you to try and keep up with the best of the best, especially if you're a character loyalist. How do you think the greats like Rikuto and Master keep in the Top 8 with the characters they have fielded since their earlier days? They adapted their styles to fit with their character's good tech in the current game.

In the end, though, it's your call. Do what you want.

 

[MuffinMan123]

so I am still working through the tutorial thing for the trophy shit, but do I learn DOA characters like how I learn SC characters?

normally what I do with SC is going to the character specific forum, learning the top 10 moves, learn some basic combos, some tricks, watch some gameplay videos, and then just take the game online and see how I do. does this work with DOA gameplay system? I feel that going through the entire movelist of the character isn't really that helpful with DOA, but I don't understand jack shit when I watch gameplay videos of the characters I want to learn.