Xbox One Discussion

[MKHSpartan]

Actually Microsoft shut down their original xbox servers about 2 years back which sucked, I still played Halo 2 online right up until they shut them off. So it isn't just EA (but EA is worse I will admit).

 

[Slayer_X64]

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Sony partnered with Gaikai which is a company that built itself around cloud based gaming for their PS4 and backwards compatibility with earlier generation games. Cloud based gaming is there with them as well to so don't put too much faith in that with the little bit of information we have.
that doesnt mean its manditory though. for all we know they could be using it for cloud storage, or for their digital download system, or the like. and if thats the case, it doesnt effect playing retail versions unless i wanna store my saves in the cloud. looking at microsofts stocks, if sony follows suit, not only is it financial suicide, but theres also again, no longer a reason not to just build a rig. ive already got mine built, so im prepared to jump ship there too if sony goes down that road.

I understand the point of lending just fine. I live with two other gamers. I also see the benefit in the new system as well. Having a benefit means its not all bad like you claim it to be, regardless of how many friends you game with. If you have just one other person on board it cuts down the amount of money both of you spend on gaming while allowing you to game just as much or maybe even more than usual. If another friend might want to buy or try out the game there is nothing stopping you from inviting them over or going over their and letting them try it out. You won't have to lug around a gigantic rig either.
my rig has wheels. and if im taking a console anywhere, chances are i'll just take a vehicle. ill put what i need in the bed of the truck, or in the back seat. and its not just about lending games to try things out. i've lent games to friends so that they could beat the whole thing before giving it back to me. and its my property, i've every right to do so. if you're taking your console somewhere, chances are a) you've got a compact little monitor to tote around and b) you're probably getting there by some sort of vehicle ride anyways.

I guess the kept gaming as a mainstay or rather their casual appealing ideas don't catch on as well (Did you forget about the terrible WonderBook demo?) and PS Move isn't as innovative as Kinect. The PS Eye is supposed to come bundled with PS4s I think and we don't have enough Info to say it isn't as integrated as Kinect. Sony's console didn't show what their console could do. Just what they hoped it could do followed by a few exclusives and first look at multiplatform games.
true. we will have to wait and see. even if it was like kinnect though, i would still be willing to overlook it for lack of DRM.

500GB isn't bad but maybe to keep the cost down as much as possible. I expect the system to be $400 dollars. The fact that you can now use any 2TB hard drive you want (Just like PS3) instead of MS overpriced BS HDD is very much a positive for gamers everywhere.

its bad when each and every game has to be installed to the HDD - that space will get eaten up like no tomorrow. for something that only saves save files on that 500GB HDD however, its more than enough room to last a lifetime. i doubt that the system will be as little as $400 looking at the hardware inside of it, and another thing: do you know the price difference between a 1TB HDD and a 500GB HDD even on a consumer market? up here its about $10.

also correct me if im wrong but i believe the HDD in the XBOX ONE is not interchangeable.

USB 3.0 wasn't around in 360s is the point.
it doesnt really make a difference when it comes to consoles however. it just lets you use USB 3.0 compatible stuff, and i believe 3.0 also has faster transfer capabilities. but thats about it. its not like its a technological landmark or anything for it to be included.

The only company I know that shuts down servers is EA. I can still play Dark Sector or Dead or Alive 4 online today. I don't see this changing next gen but we'll see.
and what about Playstation 2's servers? or original xbox's servers?

i guarantee the DRM servers wont be along that far down the road either. its financially unviable.

MS doesn't ban people for no reason. That said if you get banned they can lift it, if it was unjustly but I don't recall their ever being an unjustified ban. That alone doesn't deter me at all because I abide by the Terms of Use. Sharing the two licenses for digital content between two consoles does not go against the Term of Use either. If you get banned and have to buy stuff over then that's your own responsibility. Agreeing to the Terms of Use means anything that goes on with that Gamertag is your responsibility to take otherwise don't hit accept.
it doesnt change the fact that you are losing content you justly purchased and justly owned. regardless of the wrongs you've done, you are still entitled to use your product because you bought the rights to use it, and with good money, even if offline without xbox live service(as it has been justly taken away in this case)

Actually Microsoft shut down their original xbox servers about 2 years back which sucked, I still played Halo 2 online right up until they shut them off. So it isn't just EA (but EA is worse I will admit).

you ninja'd me!

 

[MKHSpartan]

you ninja'd me!

Hehe, like a boss.

 

[Reave]

The point is we don't know how cloud will function with PS4 and I don't see the point of bashing something or hating on something when the other thing could do it just as well. We also don't fully know how the Xbox One will function either tbh. This is all software related so it could change at any moment. Nothing is finalized. http://www.polygon.com/2013/5/21/43...recurring-online-checks-even-for-offline-play

The internal hard drive isn't interchangeable. You can add on an external Hard drive of any amount though. You can play instantly when you start installs so it isn't like every game has to stay on your hard drive. I just recently went from 13GB hard drive for 5 years to 237GB hard drive so deleting stuff ain't a beef of mine. Consoles are always sold at a loss (unless your Nintendo) so I doubt it will be upwards of $600 dollars. I think they said there will only be one SKU so my guess is $400-$500. Anything more would be doing what Sony did with PS3.

Fair enough on servers from a decade ago but EA does it within a year or two.

When you take part in a bannable offense (nudity, phishing, modding, etc) you forfeit your right to said content. Don't want it lost, don't break the rules. Its that simple.

 

[Slayer_X64]

The point is we don't know how cloud will function with PS4 and I don't see the point of bashing something or hating on something when the other thing could do it just as well. We also don't fully know how the Xbox One will function either tbh. This is all software related so it could change at any moment. Nothing is finalized. http://www.polygon.com/2013/5/21/43...recurring-online-checks-even-for-offline-play
the point is because it is a bad thing, and a good portion of us agree in that we dont want things to be this way. since we are the consumer, by expressing our concerns we can try to sway the market in a different direction than its going, and companies which fail to adapt lose market share, profit, and lose out on their investments. thats why we bash something that isnt out yet. because we want it to change or go away. companies will either listen to what the consumer wants, or ignore them at their own peril, due to their greed to want to turn a profit.

The internal hard drive isn't interchangeable. You can add on an external Hard drive of any amount though. You can play instantly when you start installs so it isn't like every game has to stay on your hard drive. I just recently went from 13GB hard drive for 5 years to 237GB hard drive so deleting stuff ain't a beef of mine. Consoles are always sold at a loss (unless your Nintendo) so I doubt it will be upwards of $600 dollars. I think they said there will only be one SKU so my guess is $400-$500. Anything more would be doing what Sony did with PS3.
but why should i have to? external HDD's are also more expensive. and what if i dont want to delete stuff? i've been in your shoes with a small hard drive and having to delete stuff, and i dont want to be there again. since its PC architecture they should at least give me the option to upgrade MY storage space on MY console. besides that its a feature currently present in the machines we have now - why would i upgrade, yet settle for less?

and again, looking at the hardware, those machines would be sold at a serious loss, of at least $150-$200 if they are sold at $600. i realize they probably get discounts because they are a corporation, but unless the price of hardware has a serious drop, i cant see consoles being that cheap and the company still staying afloat.(well no they are a corporation, so theyd stay afloat, but that is some serious financial losses.)

Fair enough on servers from a decade ago but EA does it within a year or two.
and i still actually play my games from a decade ago, and i know alot of people who do. EA is just a really evil, greedy corporation which makes even other really evil, greedy corporations look like saints. pay no mind to them.
When you take part in a bannable offense (nudity, phishing, modding, etc) you forfeit your right to said content. Don't want it lost, don't break the rules. Its that simple.
no, you forfeit your right to said network, ie. XBOX LIVE, but your physical discs, are always yours and always will be no matter what. you are ENTITLED to them. to rob you of your content and force you behind a pay wall regardless of what you did to get banned is morally wrong and disloyal to the consumer. as i said before, its RENT, not owning. and then there's also the rare unjust banning of an account, and of course, the fact that DRM kills my ability to use content decades from now, and the fact that DRM kills used games, AND kills the ability to lend games out. we BOUGHT the right to use that content, unless its digital download they have NO RIGHT to force us to use it a certain way. so long as we are within the law we are free to do as we please with it. it requires their console to play it, but thats all. DRM is a BAD thing. I dont understand why anybody would want it. EVEN from a corporations point of view, it costs much more money to even create and maintain DRM content in the first place, than it does to just create the content itself - not to mention it is consumer unfriendly, as i've pretty much stated time and time again.