Critical Edge: Cut Off Your Nose to Spite Your Face?

If you don't already know Esports runs on two things the pros and an audience. The Pros for SSF4 happen to be in Japan. For Tekken in Korea. And even Starcraft 2 relies on the Koreans. MLG is partnered with the GSL to fly top Koreans in to compete with SC2 foreigners.

Esports is about leagues that concentrate on the bottom line...people want to watch the best players compete for something concrete(large paychecks). They want to watch high level matches. Nobody wants to watch noobs or average players play these games. That's what sports is about. Currently the FGC fuses High School football, with College football and the NFL...But we all know that only the guys in the NFL get paid. Right now the FGC relies on people spending money and traveling. I don't know how long they plan to use this formula. Will see what the numbers say in 2012.

Also Esports sets up a very high standard for professional play, the players we have now aren't really Professionals. The current formula rewards those that can afford to travel and support themselves until they get recognition and get sponsored. Esports makes talent recognition a lot easier. And when you become a Pro, you're placed on teams that focus on making you the best of the best...so having a day job as a distraction is kinda out of the equation.

But to be honest there two other qualities required for an Esports game that most FGs don't meet. Spectator-friendliness and depth. Most of you assume that numbers are the basic determinate. But even in the realm of Esports there real doubts about whether the games currently showcased have the staying power of a Starcraft 2. For Esports you take into account that a game has to be watchable without the need to have actually played it. That's important because the audience is always versatile. For Esports were talking about a largely PC crowd, but even people that don't play games like your parents can be part of it. And the depth of the game is simply to legitimize the pros and the game...Esports thrives on countless moments like Daigo's full parry. Things that can blow an audience's mind. At the same time that depth is required for balance as well. Balance is very important in Esports because the audience always wants the best at the top, imbalances have no place in an Esport. These are all real things you have to consider when promoting a game for this position.

Lastly another thing to consider is how long will SSF4 run before Capcom makes SFV. Three to five years possibly?. And if it does, how does that effect the game's standing as an Esport? Most Esports games get patches or expansions, but the core game doesn't change by much...a few balance tweaks here and there. Is Capcom willing to support SSF4 in that way? And would SF5 sell as well as SSF4? Fives years from now will gamers outside the competitive community be willing to spend 60$ on a 2D fighting game?...Considering games like Skyrim in comparison. Yeah fighting games are making a resurgence, but when you look at the video game market, they're still a niche market. While the player base is getting younger and younger. That's why they're constantly being dumbed down to appeal to a wider audience. Competitive gaming itself is a niche market. That fact further shrinks FGs in the realm of competitive standing.

Finally, I think were counting our eggs before they hatch. 2011 was a good year for competitive gaming overall. Streaming and Youtube has really helped us connected better socially and observe gaming in general. However, 2012 will be the true test for how strong each fighting game is. Because, like it or not fighting games are in competition with each other. TTT2, SCV, BBE, SFxT etc are all coming out and competing with each other. We'll see if the FGC actually grows bigger. And by that I don't mean we all play each fighter, that's an unrealistic goal. I mean if the FGC actually introduces new players that have never played FGs before. If players are willing to travel more etc. Until then, the Esports question is way too early for NA IMO.

If it's to be done successfully, it will have to be somewhere else.
 
IMO, most of the comments here on the voting process for EVO2k10 doa disservice to what the Melty Blood community was able to achieve. Melty and similar games have traditionally be looked down upon by alot of folks as being the realm of "weaboos" and "dork." Yet, given the chance, the communities from Melty-Bread and DustLoop did their darned hardest to get the game in (which it did - much to the surprise of the EVO staff).
 
Who does this Douchebag think he is? Henry the 8th?
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I can only imagine one day he's flipping through a history book and he'll be like "That dude dresses so cool."
 
ok time for my 2 cents/tirade/anecdote.

a: i read this entire fucking thread thinking that i would come out of it finally understanding what "cut off your nose to spite your face" meant. i was wrong. does it mean cut yourself to make yourself uglier out of shame? does it mean destroy your natural beauty in pursuit of a more desirable end result? i am still in the dark here, and now i've lost 30 more minutes of my life. whatever i have read and am about to type officially has not and will not help me to grow intellectually or even be entertained in any way shape or form. in fact, i am now agitated, slightly disillusioned and perhaps even a little bit more dumber, and for that i hate you all.

b: "eSports" is a joke in and of itself; a sort of oxymoron. playing video games is a hobby. sitting in a chair at home or in a hotel ballroom, amped up on four loko and talking about titties and hot wings is not a sport. period. it may be awesome, but the term "esports" is an insult to any actual athletes. anyone who plays at a high level and pretends to do it for money rather than passion is either full of shit or very very fucking stupid about time and finance management. we are and should remain a niche. not only because we are embarrassingly nerdy, but because creating legitimate, "made-it" role models out of pro gamers will destroy thousands, if not millions of children.

c: to the guy a couple pages back who began his assynein argument by correcting jaxel's spelling: you look like a dick. learn some internet manners.

all kidding aside, though, i agree with inkblot in that we can't really trust the existing leagues. iirc there was an MLG event for t6 on the same day of CEO or FR or some other major just last year. remember the $20,000 MK9 tournament? the one that probably cost at least a dozen hard working nerds a job or girlfriend or good standing lease? remember how you had to use their shit joysticks, even though they were actually breaking during the tournament? that is the sort of shit that happens when people start throwing that sort of money at event. products. get. sold. end of story.

i do believe we should strengthen our ties with producers and industry leaders for event sponsorship, but not to the point that we are inviting in whoever hands over the fattest check.

this reminds me of, when i was living in albuquerque, the state of NM passed a massive tax break for film producers who shot there. almost overnight, movie studios popped up all over and more than half of the major motion pictures filmed in the US were shot there. i watched soooooooo many of my friends abandon their cherished indie work and day jobs for the realistically graspable pursuit of their dream career. at first, it worked. everyone and their brother was in on the movie biz. hell, i did some lighting side work and extra "acting" because the money was good. within a year or two, though, my friends were out of work. the indie studios that had been around for decades were gone. the lighting jobs had been taken up full time by professionals. when hollywood came to new mexico, they didn't do it to be our friends. they didn't do it to help us or support us. they did it for dollar signs, and they were good at it, and they ran us the fuck over. then, the money ran out and they left us with nothing to rebuild but some shitty western ghost town sets in the middle of nowhere.

i go to many events, knowing full and well that i don't have a shot in hell at winning top 3, or even maintaining the attention span necessary to stay in the venue for the entire event. staying active in the FGC isn't about money. it never has been. it isn't about popularity or fame or elite circles or paternal approval or career clout or scoring bitches. it is about making friends who are similarly passionate about something nerdy and time consuming and most of all isolating and esoteric. in that, we are better than the existing "leagues". no matter what happens, we must be wary of allowing that to change.
 
ok time for my 2 cents/tirade/anecdote.

a: i read this entire fucking thread thinking that i would come out of it finally understanding what "cut off your nose to spite your face" meant. i was wrong. does it mean cut yourself to make yourself uglier out of shame? does it mean destroy your natural beauty in pursuit of a more desirable end result? i am still in the dark here, and now i've lost 30 more minutes of my life. whatever i have read and am about to type officially has not and will not help me to grow intellectually or even be entertained in any way shape or form. in fact, i am now agitated, slightly disillusioned and perhaps even a little bit more dumber, and for that i hate you all.

c: "eSports" is a joke in and of itself; a sort of oxymoron. playing video games is a hobby. sitting in a chair at home or in a hotel ballroom, amped up on four loko and talking about titties and hot wings is not a sport. period. it may be awesome, but the term "esports" is an insult to any actual athletes. anyone who plays at a high level and pretends to do it for money rather than passion is either full of shit or very very fucking stupid about time and finance management. we are and should remain a niche. not only because we are embarrassingly nerdy, but because creating legitimate, "made-it" role models out of pro gamers will destroy thousands, if not millions of children.

d: to the guy a couple pages back who began his assynein argument by correcting jaxel's spelling. you look like a dick. learn some internet manners.

all kidding aside, though, i agree with inkblot in that we can't really trust the existing leagues. iirc there was an MLG event for t6 on the same day of CEO or FR or some other major just last year. remember the $20,000 MK9 tournament? the one that probably cost at least a dozen hard working nerds a job or girlfriend or good standing lease? remember how you had to use their shit joysticks, even though they were actually breaking during the tournament? that is the sort of shit that happens when people start throwing that sort of money at event. products. get. sold. end of story.

i do believe we should strengthen our ties with producers and industry leaders for event sponsorship, but not to the point that we are inviting in whoever hands over the fattest check.

this reminds me of, when i was living in albuquerque, the state of NM passed a massive tax break for film producers who shot there. almost overnight, movie studios popped up all over and more than half of the major motion pictures filmed in the US were shot there. i watched soooooooo many of my friends abandon their cherished indie work and day jobs for the realistically graspable pursuit of their dream career. at first, it worked. everyone and their brother was in on the movie biz. hell, i did some lighting side work and extra "acting" because the money was good. within a year or two, though, my friends were out of work. the indie studios that had been around for decades were gone. the lighting jobs had been taken up full time by professionals. when hollywood came to new mexico, they didn't do it to be our friends. they didn't do it to help us or support us. they did it for dollar signs, and they were good at it, and they ran us the fuck over. then, the money ran out and they left us with nothing to rebuild but some shitty western ghost town sets in the middle of nowhere.

i go to many events, knowing full and well that i don't have a shot in hell at winning top 3, or even maintaining the attention span necessary to stay in the venue for the entire event. staying active in the FGC isn't about money. it never has been. it isn't about popularity or fame or elite circles or paternal approval or career clout or scoring bitches. it is about making friends who are similarly passionate about something nerdy and time consuming and most of all isolating and esoteric. in that, we are better than the existing "leagues". no matter what happens, we must be wary of allowing that to change.

Well Said Lobo, you deserve a medal for pretty much explaining how big money can effectively kill anything built on passion alone.
 
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