Kayane's Hands-on Impressions of SC5

[docvizzo]

no pro player complaining? who is omega? a noob? how bout vincent? stop the bs dude...

Well Omega was the guy who said he can spam lows without reading the review it seems, since clearly Kayane said you can 1G lows...so in fact he was wrong with his assumption. Then people just repeated what he said which doesnt make it right.

You clearly CANT spam lows in SC5, lol. First of all you can block them and punish or you can Just Guard them.

And Vince is just trolling :)

 

[BLACKSTAR]

http://8wayrun.com/wiki/sophitia-frame-data-sc4/

Uh, Sophie, since you used that example, is -7 on a blocked AA, -6 on a blocked BB.

And Taki is at disadvantage even on AA counter hit

Are you guys high? If you're losing to AA and BB spam, barring horrific lag, you must not be a very good player.

I don't think you understand the difference between being in DISADVANTAGE and being UNSAFE.

disadvantage -> basically means being in negative frames. doesn't necessarily mean you are GUARANTEED anything unless it's (I think) -9->-11 or above (and even that's character dependent)

unsafe-> means you are so deep in disadvantage, that (if he/she chooses to) your opponent is able to hit you with certain moves GUARANTEED.

If I bust out a -11 on block move against an SC4 Xianghua (unsafe against her), and they block it, they can hit me with an AA (imp 11), and I will be guaranteed to get hit.

In contrast, if I'm SC4 Soph, and I do BB (-7?) against Xianghua, I'll be in disadvantage, but there's nothing Xianghua can do that will guarantee contact, so I can at least block safely. Negative frames really only affect Soph in this situation if she immediately tries to attack again. Hence the 'take turns' style gameplay

 

[Azazel]

Well Omega was the guy who said he can spam lows without reading the review it seems, since clearly Kayane said you can 1G lows...so in fact he was wrong with his assumption. Then people just repeated what he said which doesnt make it right.

You clearly CANT spam lows in SC5, lol. First of all you can block them and punish or you can Just Guard them.

And Vince is just trolling :)

Read again what Omega said and try to understand it this time ;) and I'm sure Vincent is not just trolling (although he is a fucking troll XD) and that just to mention 2, cause a lot of people complaining is pro ;)

 

[FleshMasher]

First: Thanks Kayane for your observations!
(I forgot that in my first post)

Second: We don't know anything yet.
There are a lot of worst case scenarios here (my own included)
But we can't tell if the low GI or repel/parry is really gone.
Nor do we have actual final frame data for any moves on guard and or just guard.

It could also be like this:
A move that is -15 on Guard in SC 4 may be -13 on Guard in SCV and -17 on Just Guard. Would that really be so broken? With a short window to JG.

And don't forget it still hurts when you guard too late
And you might have to check if your JG worked or your punish will be re-JGed.
Noone knows.

And maybe the GI (i really hope they think twice before taking out any possibility to GI lows)
Will give a bigger attack window like Just GIs n SC4 for your meter spent.

I see there's potential for desaster but get some facts before going:
"NOOO NAMCO YOU MESSED UP", please.

 

[docvizzo]

Read again what Omega said and try to understand it this time ;) and I'm sure Vincent is not just trolling (although he is a fucking troll XD) and that just to mention 2, cause a lot of people complaining is pro ;)

Ok i went back and read it again:

"Wajajajajaja, im going to win using lows only, no low GI, jejejejejeje, here comes Omega the Foot killer"

Here Omega gives the impression if its possible to spam lows cause there is no low GI. But then again there IS low Just Guard, so i dont see his point.

I can understand him when he says he likes Guard Impact, but its only a personal preference of him. Thats not really a valid argument imo. I liked Soul Charge, then they took it away, now im used to it. Easy like that.