Athiest: What's The Deal With You People!?

[ShinjiUrahara]

I want to hear your answer to this question, "Why don't you believe in God?"

I have been in countless debates about religion and I think people get the wrong idea about Atheists. Atheists are not immoral or "satanic" people, they are no from different from everyone else. They are simply human beings with their own thoughts and beliefs and we have to respect that. Atheists are rather interesting individuals to me, they attempt to disprove religion using religious texts and science based facts OR theories. Amusing is it not? Perfect example:

Carbon-14 Dating


Carbon-14 (14C), also referred to as radiocarbon, is claimed to be a reliable dating method for determining the age of fossils up to 50,000 to 60,000 years. If this claim is true, the biblical account of a young earth (about 6,000 years) is in question, since 14C dates of tens of thousands of years are common.

When a scientist’s interpretation of data does not match the clear meaning of the text in the Bible, we should never reinterpret the Bible. God knows just what He meant to say, and His understanding of science is infallible, whereas ours is fallible. So we should never think it necessary to modify His Word. Genesis 1 defines the days of creation to be literal days (a number with the word “day” always means a normal day in the Old Testament, and the phrase “evening and morning” further defines the days as literal days). Since the Bible is the inspired Word of God, we should examine the validity of the standard interpretation of 14C dating by asking several questions:

1. Is the explanation of the data derived from empirical, observational science, or an interpretation of past events (historical science)?
2. Are there any assumptions involved in the dating method?
3. Are the dates provided by 14C dating consistent with what we observe?
4. Do all scientists accept the 14C dating method as reliable and accurate?

All radiometric dating methods use scientific procedures in the present to interpret what has happened in the past. The procedures used are not necessarily in question. The interpretation of past events is in question. The secular (evolutionary) worldview interprets the universe and world to be billions of years old. The Bible teaches a young universe and earth. Which worldview does science support? Can carbon-14 dating help solve the mystery of which worldview is more accurate?

^ I know it said several questions and only listed 4 -_- moving on.............................

But yeah blah blah blah make a fuckaton of sense and sounds completely logical but for those of you who doesn't get it allow me to explain why this doesn't prove anything, it's quite simple actually. I love this example because who ever wrote this is not only arguing in an atheist POV but also a religious person's POV hence, "When a scientist’s interpretation of data does not match the clear meaning of the text in the Bible, we should never reinterpret the Bible. God knows just what He meant to say, and His understanding of science is infallible, whereas ours is fallible. So we should never think it necessary to modify His Word."

That is true because from a religious standpoint the Bible is not open to interpretation. The quote, "Thou shalt not kill" means exactly that. However, there some scriptures like this, Psalm 16:8 "I have set the LORD continually before me; Because He is at my right hand, I will not be shaken." or (a favorite and famous quote) "Psalm 23:4 "Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me."

It doesn't specifically say it but all that means is, you have no reason to fear, for jesus is with you." Although, someone may read this and not get it, thus go tell someone else and there ya have it! A game of "Telephone" or whatever that childhood game was when a kid first whispers something to one kid and that kid passes it to the next kid and its suppose to get back to the who delt the first whisper but the truth almost never gets back to the original person.

Why doesn't this prove anything Shinji? Because Carbon-14 dating is only claimed to be a reliable dating method for determining the age of fossils up to 50,000 to 60,000 years. Since it is but a claim or maintained as a fact does not make it and actual fact. But those 4 questions are up for educated guesses so feel free.

Now, I myself am not an Atheist I actually believe in some parts of the bible and some things I just don't agree with, but it gets a lot deeper than that. With that said I'm all open for whatever no sides here, but better make sure shit is concrete or I will tear it to shreds.

Have fun! ^_^

 

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People don't believe in the biblical god because there is no compelling evidence. That's the simplest and most straightforward answer to your first question.

After that your post just goes in circles and ends up making little sense, so it's hard to respond to.

However, I have a question for your type. Why do you believe in some parts of the bible and not others, and which parts do you believe in? You're aware that the bible is supposed to be taken as a whole. You can't just pick and choose the parts you like, you don't get to "agree" with what you want to. The bible is the word of god. The whole thing. Each part is as valid as the rest. If you're only trying to take away basic moral lessons then there are other places to get them, or you can just take the stories and not believe in the bible at all, at least not in a religious sense.

New Age bullshit bothers me a lot more than straight religion or atheism ever could.

 

[ShinjiUrahara]

People don't believe in the biblical god because there is no compelling evidence. That's the simplest and most straightforward answer to your first question.

After that your post just goes in circles and ends up making little sense, so it's hard to respond to.

However, I have a question for your type. Why do you believe in some parts of the bible and not others, and which parts do you believe in? You're aware that the bible is supposed to be taken as a whole. You can't just pick and choose the parts you like, you don't get to "agree" with what you want to. The bible is the word of god. The whole thing. Each part is as valid as the rest. If you're only trying to take away basic moral lessons then there are other places to get them, or you can just take the stories and not believe in the bible at all, at least not in a religious sense.

New Age bullshit bothers me a lot more than straight religion or atheism ever could.

That's a simple answer but it's not that simple. You cannot be a true atheist until you first read the bible, practice it and try to understand it, you cannot oppose something that you do not fully understand to begin with. "People" do not try to have a connection with God, this "evidence" you speak of is nothing short of some kind of miracle or a witness to some kind of power. Why? Because the "evidence" the Bible already provides is not enough, the "evidence" in reality is not enough. People are selfish, lazy, and close-minded, the Path to knowing God is a Path to wisdom and only those who seek will prosper that wisdom and with that wisdom they will know God.

Circles? I beg your pardon?... Please don't call what you do not get circles. The purpose of the quote was to illustrate the point stated in the introduction paragraph. "Atheist attempt to disprove religion using scientific and religious texts", provided with a great example and explanation. But what have Atheist disproved to give them a solid, concrete, 100% assurance of a reason to disbelieve? You can ask this same question to a religious person and they will probably tell you to read the Bible, what you do not immediately understand or believe search for the answer and study that is a Path to wisdom, to understanding what you don't understand.

Do you think we as humans can fully comprehend God? The perfect being or spirit? Are our minds capable of that if there is such a God/perfect being or spirit? I think not. That is why you must obtain a spiritual connection and it's only one way to do that but most people are to lazy to do it, to lazy to even try so how can you possibly even begin to know? Over several Biblical artifacts have been found including Naoh's Ark.

Most people don't even consider it but if the Earth was further away from the Sun, we would all freeze and die the temperatures of the Earth would be too cold for the human body to withstand. The reverse effects applies if the Earth was closer to the Sun. Why does the moon orbit the Earth on a perfect axis and whats keeping it on that axis? Science does not have an answer.

The bible is comprised of over 60 different books, 66 to be exact 39 in the Old Testament and 27 in the New Testament. The difference between the Old and New testament is The Old Testament records God's dealings with His chosen people, the Israelites, and the promise He made to them to bless the world through them. The New Testament records what Christians believe is the fulfilment of that promise, the birth of Christ, His life and the building of His church. The Old Testament lays the foundation for the teachings and events found in the New Testament. The Bible is a progressive revelation. If you skip the first half of any good book and try to finish it, you will have a hard time understanding the characters, the plot, and the ending. In the same way, the New Testament is only completely understood when it is seen as a fulfillment of the events, characters, laws, sacrificial system, covenants, and promises of the Old Testament. As stated, "I agree with some parts of the bible and some things I don't agree with." Hence, I cannot fully understand what I have not read completely. The bible is not "God's words" or "The words of God" since he did not speak the Bible into existence or briefly guide each author in their writings, the Bible is the inspired word of God. God spoke to every single author of the Bible in flesh or in spirit, thus they were inspired by Him to write their book which would later me made up as apart of the Bible.

 

[lobo]

if i die and saint peter shows up in front of huge white gates and asks me why i never believed in god...i will answer, because he made me as a person who was incapable of doing so.

then i'd scratch his abs. angels have good ones.

 

[Egg]

This thread is pointless since the original question is skewed. This is all a matter of perspective. And my perspective is that this is going to be a huge flame war since no one will be able to agree with wach other.