If I had $1 for every time God bailed me out...

[KoshTheKoala]

If I had $1 for every time God bailed me out..

Pop.....well look at that. I randomly said pop (And randomly chose to come back to the topic.) It was random, and no offense, but god did not tell me to write it.

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Whatever I just spelled there is also random. I moved my hands in weird ways hitting random keys (Not knowing what I was hitting) and it spelled something. I purposely hit the keys, but what I hit was random, not pre-concieved by me.

Not everything has pure logic behind it.

God works in mysterious ways.

He made you do it without having to do something as crude as telling you. He just willed you to do it, and you did.

God also exists outside of the universe and thus isn't bound to any rules or laws that everyone else is.


See how impossible it is to argue against a god? "It's not logical? God doesn't have to be logical to exist." Hell, God doesn't even have to exist to exist, because to do otherwise would be logical, and God is not bound by logic.

 

[KingAce]

If I had $1 for every time God bailed me out..

Nothing goes with you to the grave. As far as we know, sentience ends with death.

I still don't quite understand your philosophy that the idea that because "nothing" is random, which isn't necessarily true, means God exists. See radiometric dating for the idea that something can occur without an overarching cause behind it (or most of Quantum Physics, for that matter).

For the sake of discussion I wouldn't say randomness proves God's nonexistence.
Too me the whole random discussion is separate, but maybe eventually connected.

You can't prove something is random...at least by true definition of the word random.

For anyone to state that something is random, that individual would have to have complete knowledge of that particular system.
The only possible event that I can see that could meet these conditions, is a program written by you, with you as the only individual in the world. And this program acts completely random from the coding you have written. And if you can't find the source then it is plausible to state true randomness...however, usually there is a cause.

Like KoshTheKoala said it is all psychological...

Maybe people want to believe that randomness exists, because the idea of free will is important to them.
Maybe people want God to exist because, it's the only way to make sense of things and they're too insecure to feel alone or something.
And maybe people don't like the God concept because, they feel they're in control of their lives and destinies, and don't want someone dictating their lives and fates.

In the end we know to little to be certain about anything. We can't cure cancer, and the largest thing we know are super cluster complexes.
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God works in mysterious ways.

He made you do it without having to do something as crude as telling you. He just willed you to do it, and you did.

God also exists outside of the universe and thus isn't bound to any rules or laws that everyone else is.


See how impossible it is to argue against a god? "It's not logical? God doesn't have to be logical to exist." Hell, God doesn't even have to exist to exist, because to do otherwise would be logical, and God is not bound by logic.

Do aliens exist? Does big foot? Angels...etc.

The real question is where does thought come from? Where do ideas come from? Where do dreams come from? Can blind people visualize?...Can they dream? Is thought a type of energy that can be transfered from human to human, or to animal? Remember the universe is composed of matter and energy. So what is thought?

 

[KoshTheKoala]

If I had $1 for every time God bailed me out..

For the sake of discussion I wouldn't say randomness proves God's nonexistence.
Too me the whole random discussion is separate, but maybe eventually connected.

You can't prove something is random...at least by true definition of the word random.

Well first, nothing proves any god's nonexistence. As someone said before, it's impossible to disprove that a god exists.

Second, you can prove something is random, if it's part of quantum probability. The behavior of sub-atomic particles really are the only truly random things in the universe.

For anyone to state that something is random, that individual would have to have complete knowledge of that particular system.
The only possible event that I can see that could meet these conditions, is a program written by you, with you as the only individual in the world. And this program acts completely random from the coding you have written. And if you can't find the source then it is plausible to state true randomness...however, usually there is a cause.

Again, not entirely true. Computer programs also aren't really random, they imitate randomness but are actually deterministic. Random number generation is a very interesting topic and some linux distributions have really crazy ways of creating random numbers (eg having you move your mouse around in a box on the screen, which it tracks and uses to generate random numbers).

However, knowledge of the process does not equate to whether or not something is random.

Do aliens exist? Does big foot? Angels...etc.

Yes, no, no.

To be more serious, its questions like these that make us strive towards learning and knowledge. Religion would have us just accept that we don't currently know it and claim God did it. Science has us realize we don't know it and try to figure out how things work or if they really exist rather than live in ignorance forever.

 

[iKotomi]

If I had $1 for every time God bailed me out..

Second, you can prove something is random, if it's part of quantum probability. The behavior of sub-atomic particles really are the only truly random things in the universe.

That's a very bold statement, considering how we can't even observe sub-atomic particles without changing their behavior (Heisenberg Uncertainty). For us, they might as well be random since their behavior follows a nice probability distribution, but we can't really tell if their actions are really just natural consequences of pre-existing conditions because we can't observe everything.

 

[MAILBOXARSON99]

If I had $1 for every time God bailed me out..

It isn't necessary to prove something false. Instead, it is necessary to prove that something is fact. There may be probability or likelihood that something is fact, but this can never truly be certain. If the doorbell rings and you think someone is at the door, even if you can't know for sure, there is still plausibility in this inference, it is an inference that is based at least partly on facts, with the facts being that people often do ring doorbells when they wish to speak with someone. The statement that there is a god is inferring the existence a being so incomprehensibly beyond anything we've encountered that it is in fact the most absurd statement that could possibly be made. The Earth being destroyed by celestial objects next month is more plausible than the existence of a god, mainly because we have true knowledge of such events actually happening in the known universe, and as such, it is possible to calculate the probability of such an event occurring, which is not possible for that which is supernatural or divine. Therefore, believing that the act of praying to a divine force can truly alter reality is the largest possible assumption that could possibly be made at this point in time; going to the door to check to see if someone is there is not such an absurd leap of faith, because, as I stated earlier, this action is based on logic.