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okay, so grabs are 50/50, if you THINK they will ring out, and they think you think they will ring out, they can A+G grab for free damage, if you duck to block it in anticipation, you will eat a WR B...

Hilde's combo was called "Doom Combo" for a reason. If you could tech out I'm sure she wouldn't have been banned...

.... Predictions are part of the game? You can automatically cut off the RO attempt by breaking the corresponding grab? So what if you eat the 50ish damage, you didn't lose the round. OR you can attack them since grabs are i17. Tech crouch moves. I think you're making excuses. They are not cheap. Cheap = absolutely no known tactic can counter the strategy. That's clearly not the case.

Hilde and Algol were banned because of something called Risk/reward. Not because of an infinite. Hilde's Doom combo was techable at certain points, but the ring out capability was what was terrible, you could also reposition someone with it.

your definition of cheap and mine are different. Cheap to me is an easy win, and ringing someone out is an easy win. Takes no skill.

... Not every character has a doom combo. The doom combo itself was broken because it made your positioning irrelevant to avoid being rung out, not the entire RO mechanic. <_< You're not even making good points to support your argument.

Ringing out takes no skill? You have to catch your opponent off guard, push them to the ledge, and hit them off. That takes absolutely no planning or prediction. Ya, ok. If it's an instant "I WIN" button, then why do we not see people in tournaments winning 3-0 with ringouts only? RO is only easy if your opponent is asleep. Guarding and grab breaking solves all of life's problems.

It takes enough skill to read your opponent and use the correct move to insure you win. Reading your opponent seems skillful to me. I'm through talking to you though.

Give this a read, it's pretty interesting.
http://8wayrun.com/threads/the-calibur-primer.13982/

Just talk more about how Mitsurugi is OP so I can get angry and get in on this action.

FUCK YOU FAHROS WITH YOUR 4B SPAM AND YOUR 1aA! BROKEBROKEBROKEBROKE BAN MITSU BAN MITSU

well, 4b is way too good and as far as i know is safe, 2kb is way too much damage, i mean, yeah, tis negative on hit but the frames are not enough for some characters, 3b cant be punished because of the BE and his pokes are way too good.

BUT I PLAY MITSU SO HE HAS TO BE LOW TIER!?!?! THAT'S HOW THE FLOWCHART WORKS!?

NO, YOU PLAY MITSU SO HE MUST BE BROKE BCUZ YOU ONLY PLAY BROKE PEOPLE! LOGICCC

2kb is punishable by everyone I think. -16. @_@ I hate his delays. Makes you very apprehensive to try and punish.

not exactly, and im not saying that people shouldnt use mitsu, but that he is a little better than the rest of the cast, and he is easy to play, not like aPat.

and also has very good frames as far as i know.

Rurouni, real talk:

4B is good, but it's i33 man. Literally incredibly slow, anybody worth anything can just hold up or down...walk it and punish free.

2kb isn't enough for some characters? On block it's launcher punishable by every character, and on hit it's at least aa or bb punishable?

Personally to me he just has tools, like everyone else. Play him if you think he is fun. Don't worry about the "Tiers". Also, what's bad about a character that's easy to play? Leaves more room for making reads and capitalizing on your opponent rather than your execution.

4B isn't a move that gets thrown out on a whim anyway. It's evasion. If you evade something with it, free 38 damage and wakeup for you. My main beef(i can't believe I said that) with 2kb is that the BE version at least breaks guard. YOU SHOULDN'T BE REWARDED FOR GETTING BLOCKED WITH THAT!!!!

3B just punish when they don't have meter. If they do and blow it, good for you, you made Mitsu waste half a bar which is incredibly vital...

His mist mixups are ineffective and punishable if you know how to deal with him as well.

People just don't know how to fight Mitsu. He's a great character...just like half of the cast, lol. Real talk, not OP.

But tell me more about these magical frames you refer to. :)