To Bail or Not to Bail...

[D_Matt_Ma]

The town halls are filled with whoever comes. It's refreshing to see an American president meeting with people who haven't signed a loyalty oath.

What a piece of bullshit that was.

Huh? I'm not sure I follow. You saying that as a good thing for Obama or a bad thing for Obama?

Marginal's comment on the other hand... clearly is hillarious. If I were in there, I would put on headphones and try not to listen/talk in hopes of staying out of trouble.

Although I agree Commnism would work in a perfect world, I disagree that Capitalism fails in an imperfect world. I believe Capitalism works because the world is imperfect. There is no other system that can effectively allocate resources when factoring people into the equation. Yes, I can allocate resources better than 99% of the world, but will I ever be the dictator? No. So the next best thing is to let us fight for it amongst ourselves (aka no bailouts). The alternative is to risk a psycho M.Bison/Vega Dictator deciding when I can have Mcdonalds and when I can't (for some reason, when I think of a dictator, Bison comes to my head first)

 

[Jaxel]

FREE MARKET= WORLD PEACE...
Capitalism is only failing because its not a free market when the government puts their hands in the pot (read: Socialism).

Let me explain why FREE MARKET= WORLD PEACE...

Lets say Bob creates a product, and Jane wants it. Without the free market, Jane would walk up to Bob, shoot him in the head, and take the product. This is bad for everybody... Bad for Bob, cause he is dead; and bad for Jane because should she need another of that product, Bob is no longer around to create it. Now, Bob's allies are pissed and put a Jihad on Jane. Sure, its an extreme example, but this is how the world works without the free market barter system.

Now, lets take that same situation and put it on the free market. Bob creates a product, and Jane wants it. Jane would walk up to Bob, offer him a trade (in money or goods), and Bob could accept the trade. This is good for everbody. Nobody gets killed, and if Jane needs another of this product, she can go back to Bob and trade for another. Bob likes Jane because Jane is a good customer, everyone is happy, and there is peace...

Now, lets take that free market situation, and throw in socialism. Here comes Joe... Joe is Bob's boss (read: governing body). Joe tells Bob that he has problems with Jane, he simply doesn't like here for some reason or another, and for that reason Bob is no longer permitted to sell to Jane. Now Jane is trying to get Bob's product, but she cant because Bob is refusing to sell to her. So what does Jane do? She walks up to Bob, shoots him in the head, and takes the product.

Socialism is the exact opposite of the free market... and it negates any progress the free market has towards world peace.

 

[D_Matt_Ma]

Jaxel... I wouldn't have tied free market to world peace. Nonetheless, the imagery behind your post is hillarious. I guess the moral of the story is women walk over men in socialism and capitalism.

 

[Archangel]

Jaxel, total free market fails for the same reason communism/socialism does: People get greedy and they start cheating. Enron was the first sign of things to come.

Matt: It's a good thing for America. Obama can handle himself. He might not be doing what you want him to, but he's handling himself fine so far.

 

[Jaxel]

Jaxel, total free market fails for the same reason communism/socialism does: People get greedy and they start cheating. Enron was the first sign of things to come.

Matt: It's a good thing for America. Obama can handle himself. He might not be doing what you want him to, but he's handling himself fine so far.

You're assuming that the Enron fiasco was the fault of greed on the free market... or was it the fault of greed on a government regulated market? Without the government regulations and systems, the Enron fiasco may have never happened. You forget that the Enron fiasco was related to "institutionalized, systematic, and creatively planned accounting fraud". Basically, systems that don't matter when the government isn't involved. You also forget that many people in our government were gaining TONS off what as going on in Enron...

The Free Market is a Libertarian ideal (this country was founded liberatarian); it stresses LESS government interaction and a reduction of power. This country was founded on the ideals that the government should be working for the people, not the other way around. Minimum federal government lets the country work on its own, as it should. The way our government is handling the market, it is pretty much making it impossible for startups to survive anymore; as it gives preference to big business. This kills competition and ends up letting these big companies (read: Bob) treat its customers (read: Jane) like garbage.

According to Thomas Jefferson, a country's people should overthrow its government every 20 years in order to keep the balance of power in check. We are over 200 years behind, and now our government has so much power, it has been systematically taking away our rights.