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yeah but his retaliation move is 60-58 more moves than what you say you do. 64 palms don't seem like a turtle move. but i get what you mean. but turtling won't work for the long run so you have to look for a quick opportunity to strike. the only thing that annoys me about some turtlers are the guys that hit you, knock you down, and instantly back up and stay there. they want you to come to them. i'm old fashioned and I like meeting people half way in battle. not chasing them down. and then they got the nerve to get mad if you do the same thing and time runs out because their health is lower.Sides, I find it funny you hate being defensive for purely stupid and scrubby reasons, yet your avatar is a character who is known for his defensive style.