Critical Edge: Cut Off Your Nose to Spite Your Face?
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I was planning on writing an article myself but decided to scrap it. If I would have known that Jaxel was going to rant about it on the stream, maybe I would have kept it.
Basically this is an argument between the Capcom community versus eSports because Street Fighter and Marvel are the two most popular competitive fighting games out there, and about getting them into a league, not the 3rd, 4th, or 5th most popular game. Games like our don’t even factor into the equation, and only do so because of how unreceptive Capcom has been to eSports. You can’t have the game in a league if the publisher doesn’t give you the rights to do so, so a league that wants to run a fighting game has to choose something.
On the flip side, Namco has been more receptive towards eSports and has good relationships with those organizations which is why you saw Tekken at MLG, why you see Tekken every year at WCG, and why there’s a television show dedicated to Tekken in Korea. Because of Namco’s relationships with those organizations, I can see SCV having a high possibility of being in a league next year. With the game coming out early enough for people to plan around, with Tag 2 not coming out until Holiday 2012 and currently being accessible to a small minority of people, with Capcom’s cold reception to eSports, and other games not being as popular or marketable, SCV would make a likely choice.
Right now there is a fighting game tournament everywhere. The community at large can support grassroots tournaments along with a pro league. It’s not like well established tournaments are just going to disappear overnight unless the players themselves stop caring about them which could happen for smaller games. But we already see that today with EVO and their process for selecting games where they jump on a game when it’s new then drop it when something more popular comes along for the most part.
In 2009, I felt that SC4 did well enough at EVO to return for 2010, especially when there wasn’t a suitable replacement which is why the last game for that year was brought to a vote. Everyone had the sentiment that Soulcalibur wasn’t going to be back for whatever reason, so if EVO wanted to show their support towards us, they could have just kept the decision to themselves and brought the game on for another year. But SC had 0 chance in a vote left mainly in the hands of the 2D crowd with a history of being segregated and hostile towards us. I appreciated the support Ponder gave us, but we had no chance compared to amount of people who are on SRK at that time. Maybe things could have been different with some reassurance, but who knows, that's all in the past now.
At the same time, the players themselves usually don’t stick with a game for more than a year unless there is an update to it, or some incentive to keep playing, such as a league with big money to give out. So where is the risk in having a good year for a game where the players can make some real good money competing? Still better than nothing.
Outside of the few who want to protect their own interests, I don’t understand the apprehension from the vocal few of having fighting games in an eSports league when you already have eSports organizations sponsoring players. Look at the doors that they’ve opened for those players. Look at the amount of events that they now are able to travel to without having to worry about logistics. Plus a league is only 5-6 events out of a year, so it’s not like the community is going to lose their identity all of a sudden or have the rug pulled out from them when there’s plenty of other events to go to. As long as the community doesn’t allow that rug to be pulled out from under them, then what’s the problem? Who’s not going to have fun competing in a game for a lot more money and not worry about it all going towards travel expenses?
Look at how successful Tekken 6 was at MLG in 2010. Even with the game at EVO, Tekken was on the downswing because of how long it took to come to console, plus the netcode sucked. Plus everybody and their momma wanted SSF4 at MLG because of how big that game was going to be, but wasn’t either for whatever reason that we haven’t been privy to. But MLG had Tekken 6, and even though the tournaments themselves didn’t have big turnouts, the players themselves saw more money than those playing SF, along with flying out players from Asia, along with the support that Namco was able to provide in offering unique prizes, an arcade cabinet, a trip to Japan to meet the devs, and showing a demo of Tag 2. They even plucked someone from the Tekken community to run things, which in turn made the community adopt what MLG was doing. Look at how that opportunity opened the door for FilthieRich. So someone please tell me where’s the downside in all of this? Think about what could happen for a game on the upswing in Soulcalibur V. I could care less what happened back in 2005 or 2004 when I have a recent example to use. And one good year in a league is still better than 0.
To soakrates points, the Soulcalibur community is already severed from the rest of the fighting game community. If we weren’t, then we’d all be on SRK happy as a clam. I’m all about supporting whoever wants to help blow up SCV, doesn’t matter who. And it’s not about severing ourselves from the people who’ve supported us, but separating ourselves from the few vocal people in the Capcom side of the community who feel that nothing good can come from eSports.
To KingAce, the only eSports game that lasted 10 years is StarCraft. If not for Blizzard’s support towards eSports and the competitive community, it wouldn’t have lasted that long. Every other game has the same shelf life as any fighting game given the proper support.
tl:dr; The Soulcalibur community has nothing to lose in becoming a part of eSports, and plenty to gain from the added exposure and capital that eSports can bring, which would spark additional interest, growth, and competition for our community that we desperately need. If the opportunity arises for SCV to be in a league, we should fully support it, along with the grassroots efforts and major tournaments that have supported us to this point, and separate ourselves from the negative position that’s permeating through the 2D side of the FGC currently. There’s no reason why we can’t have both as long as the community supports both.
Basically this is an argument between the Capcom community versus eSports because Street Fighter and Marvel are the two most popular competitive fighting games out there, and about getting them into a league, not the 3rd, 4th, or 5th most popular game. Games like our don’t even factor into the equation, and only do so because of how unreceptive Capcom has been to eSports. You can’t have the game in a league if the publisher doesn’t give you the rights to do so, so a league that wants to run a fighting game has to choose something.
On the flip side, Namco has been more receptive towards eSports and has good relationships with those organizations which is why you saw Tekken at MLG, why you see Tekken every year at WCG, and why there’s a television show dedicated to Tekken in Korea. Because of Namco’s relationships with those organizations, I can see SCV having a high possibility of being in a league next year. With the game coming out early enough for people to plan around, with Tag 2 not coming out until Holiday 2012 and currently being accessible to a small minority of people, with Capcom’s cold reception to eSports, and other games not being as popular or marketable, SCV would make a likely choice.
Right now there is a fighting game tournament everywhere. The community at large can support grassroots tournaments along with a pro league. It’s not like well established tournaments are just going to disappear overnight unless the players themselves stop caring about them which could happen for smaller games. But we already see that today with EVO and their process for selecting games where they jump on a game when it’s new then drop it when something more popular comes along for the most part.
In 2009, I felt that SC4 did well enough at EVO to return for 2010, especially when there wasn’t a suitable replacement which is why the last game for that year was brought to a vote. Everyone had the sentiment that Soulcalibur wasn’t going to be back for whatever reason, so if EVO wanted to show their support towards us, they could have just kept the decision to themselves and brought the game on for another year. But SC had 0 chance in a vote left mainly in the hands of the 2D crowd with a history of being segregated and hostile towards us. I appreciated the support Ponder gave us, but we had no chance compared to amount of people who are on SRK at that time. Maybe things could have been different with some reassurance, but who knows, that's all in the past now.
At the same time, the players themselves usually don’t stick with a game for more than a year unless there is an update to it, or some incentive to keep playing, such as a league with big money to give out. So where is the risk in having a good year for a game where the players can make some real good money competing? Still better than nothing.
Outside of the few who want to protect their own interests, I don’t understand the apprehension from the vocal few of having fighting games in an eSports league when you already have eSports organizations sponsoring players. Look at the doors that they’ve opened for those players. Look at the amount of events that they now are able to travel to without having to worry about logistics. Plus a league is only 5-6 events out of a year, so it’s not like the community is going to lose their identity all of a sudden or have the rug pulled out from them when there’s plenty of other events to go to. As long as the community doesn’t allow that rug to be pulled out from under them, then what’s the problem? Who’s not going to have fun competing in a game for a lot more money and not worry about it all going towards travel expenses?
Look at how successful Tekken 6 was at MLG in 2010. Even with the game at EVO, Tekken was on the downswing because of how long it took to come to console, plus the netcode sucked. Plus everybody and their momma wanted SSF4 at MLG because of how big that game was going to be, but wasn’t either for whatever reason that we haven’t been privy to. But MLG had Tekken 6, and even though the tournaments themselves didn’t have big turnouts, the players themselves saw more money than those playing SF, along with flying out players from Asia, along with the support that Namco was able to provide in offering unique prizes, an arcade cabinet, a trip to Japan to meet the devs, and showing a demo of Tag 2. They even plucked someone from the Tekken community to run things, which in turn made the community adopt what MLG was doing. Look at how that opportunity opened the door for FilthieRich. So someone please tell me where’s the downside in all of this? Think about what could happen for a game on the upswing in Soulcalibur V. I could care less what happened back in 2005 or 2004 when I have a recent example to use. And one good year in a league is still better than 0.
To soakrates points, the Soulcalibur community is already severed from the rest of the fighting game community. If we weren’t, then we’d all be on SRK happy as a clam. I’m all about supporting whoever wants to help blow up SCV, doesn’t matter who. And it’s not about severing ourselves from the people who’ve supported us, but separating ourselves from the few vocal people in the Capcom side of the community who feel that nothing good can come from eSports.
To KingAce, the only eSports game that lasted 10 years is StarCraft. If not for Blizzard’s support towards eSports and the competitive community, it wouldn’t have lasted that long. Every other game has the same shelf life as any fighting game given the proper support.
tl:dr; The Soulcalibur community has nothing to lose in becoming a part of eSports, and plenty to gain from the added exposure and capital that eSports can bring, which would spark additional interest, growth, and competition for our community that we desperately need. If the opportunity arises for SCV to be in a league, we should fully support it, along with the grassroots efforts and major tournaments that have supported us to this point, and separate ourselves from the negative position that’s permeating through the 2D side of the FGC currently. There’s no reason why we can’t have both as long as the community supports both.
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MONEYMUFFINS
[13] Hero
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IdleMind
BANNED FOREVER
Are you fucking kidding me? The only way SCV would even make it into a league is because Capcom snubbed them, so we should line up to allow a league to have their way with our still growing community, asking for a short term gain in exchange for potential long term death?
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This seems like some kind of sick setup.
Edit: Getting more money from MLG is vague and unproven in the case of fighters. More money for whom exactly? The same small percentage of people who are already getting money? How does that help "the community".
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This seems like some kind of sick setup.
Edit: Getting more money from MLG is vague and unproven in the case of fighters. More money for whom exactly? The same small percentage of people who are already getting money? How does that help "the community".