If I had $1 for every time God bailed me out...

[BlackDragon37]

If I had $1 for every time God bailed me out..

Stupid thinking like this is why there is so much prejudice in the world.

I wouldn't call it stupid. People like to be rewarded for their ideals.

Flawed? Yep. But not stupid.

Oh, and prejudice is instinctive.

 

[StrayDogStrut]

If I had $1 for every time God bailed me out..

About my whole Big Bang statement, I'm not trying to push religion on anyone. I said it was my opinion, and I personally believe that that can prove his existence. To those who disagree, I ask you what your explanation for the beginning of time is? I think it should get an explanation other than "it just happened."

I'm just posting one more thing in this thread and then I'm done.

First Law of Thermodynamics: Energy can neither be created nor destroyed. It merely changes form. It is eternal. There was no beginning of time. Something has always been. There was no original creation. There was no starting point. There are merely curves and alterations. The concept that there was an original creation of the universe/time is a creationist concept.

 

[docvizzo]

If I had $1 for every time God bailed me out..

Even if you picked the right God, wouldn't he see through your dishonest actions of believing only because you wanted a reward? If he's truly omniscient, he would have foreseen your ploy and condemned you to Hell anyways.

QFT.

@ StrayDogStrut

Well, we have the opportunity to witness the biggest experiment this world has ever seen, and maybe some of the questions we have right now concerning the Big Bang will be solved in the LHC in CERN...questions like "Where the fuck does mass come from ?".

Lets chill and wait.

 

[Y-Disciple]

If I had $1 for every time God bailed me out..

The problem is, you're still using the idea of personal incredulity to suggest that God must have created time because you, personally, can't think of another way it came about. It is no different than the Zeus/lightning bolt idea that you scoffed at, merely at a different point in history. There are many more theories than "God did it" to explain how time came about, and simply being "possible" does not grant it one ounce of credibility. Marginal's example of an alien shooting his ray gun is just as plausible because neither of them have a scrap of evidence in their favor.

I don't feel anyone here is trying to "convert" you to atheism, we're merely pointing out flaws in your logic. If time is so complex that it required a higher power to create, would that not mean that the deity is even more complex, and would require a designer itself? Then you repeat that ad infinitum.

If you're not willing to debate your opinion on the matter, why bother posting at all? You refine and expand your ideas by having a discourse with others. You gain nothing by typing your thoughts on the matter and getting upset when someone challenges those ideas.

Well then, as I asked before, what are the other theories about how time and the universe began? I want to know, because if there's a better explanation than "God did it" or "It just happened," I really want to know, because if it's plausible, I'll probably believe in it over my "God did it" idea, because I'm not a creationist. I don't doubt that there's another explanation, I just can't conceive any other possibility. Obviously an alien requires time to fire a ray gun, so that's not as plausible as a formless force that can literally do what it wants creating it. Something like that, I believe, wouldn't need time. Strut's explanation sorta makes sense, but I don't understand how something cannot have a beginning. It pretty much throws the big bang theory out the window, and is nearly inconceivable to the human mind.

I recognize that my logic is flawed, but pretty much everything about a spirit in the sky watching and judging everyone at the same time has flawed logic. So in a way, my logic is just as flawed as everyone else who's not an atheist.

Why are you saying I'm not debating my opinion? You said it yourself- the reason I believe it is just because I don't know of any other way it could have happened. And as I said before, I know my logic is flawed, but you tell the same thing to everyone who believes in a god. And I don't get upset when people challenge my ideas. I get upset when people act like I'm an idiot because of an idea I have that I wasn't passionate about from the beginning.

 

[Felix007]

If I had $1 for every time God bailed me out..

Well then, as I asked before, what are the other theories about how time and the universe began? I want to know, because if there's a better explanation than "God did it" or "It just happened," I really want to know, because if it's plausible, I'll probably believe in it over my "God did it" idea, because I'm not a creationist. I don't doubt that there's another explanation, I just can't conceive any other possibility. Obviously an alien requires time to fire a ray gun, so that's not as plausible as a formless force that can literally do what it wants creating it. Something like that, I believe, wouldn't need time. Strut's explanation sorta makes sense, but I don't understand how something cannot have a beginning. It pretty much throws the big bang theory out the window, and is nearly inconceivable to the human mind.

I recognize that my logic is flawed, but pretty much everything about a spirit in the sky watching and judging everyone at the same time has flawed logic. So in a way, my logic is just as flawed as everyone else who's not an atheist.

Why are you saying I'm not debating my opinion? You said it yourself- the reason I believe it is just because I don't know of any other way it could have happened. And as I said before, I know my logic is flawed, but you tell the same thing to everyone who believes in a god. And I don't get upset when people challenge my ideas. I get upset when people act like I'm an idiot because of an idea I have that I wasn't passionate about from the beginning.

The Universe (as we understand it) began during the Big Bang, which was a rapid expansion of space-time. It functioned as a singularity, which strongly suggests that the laws of physics behaved in a different fashion during that time, much as they seem to do while in black holes. For the idea that there was a "beginning" at some point, there is the idea of an infinite universe as well as circular causality via a multiverse. Time does not necessarily have a beginning, we put labels on it as a human concept (and through dating methods such as dendrochronology or radiometric dating) as to better understand causality. There is no reason for it to have a true "beginning." Saying the Big Bang theory is thrown out the window because, to you, it is inconceivable, holds no water.

I'm not trying to take pot shots at you, I'm merely explaining flaws with the supposition of any God. The point of my reply was not to attack you, specifically.

No one was calling you an idiot, Manta responded in a semi-aggressive manner because of the way you presented your ideas as though God fixed these problems. You wanted an answer to how the Universe began by replacing a (currently) unexplained phenomenon with another unexplained phenomenon, God. That's all.