Ghengis_John
[13] Hero
Not so, the difference in question number one is: More swearing, more gore and bigger explosions. Fighting games on the other hand are going to simply see increases in boob sizes.
2: How dare thee impute the mighty Chessmaster
Opinion: Where Do Fighting Games Go From Here?
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Not so, the difference in question number one is: More swearing, more gore and bigger explosions. Fighting games on the other hand are going to simply see increases in boob sizes.
2: How dare thee impute the mighty Chessmaster
KDZaster
[09] Warrior
This game is easily accessible to beginners. IF you know how to play SF2, which every casual and pro fighting game player worth his salt at least tooled around with, you can play SF4 easily.
LK LK LK is an ADVANCED COMBO. Just because you think the game should make it easy doesn't mean you're not an idiot.
Beginner, noob combo is MASH MASH MASH. Attacks will still come out. They wont CARE that LK LK LK LK LK isn't comboing, they are noobs. Noobs dont care about such fine details.
Oh, and VF is overrated garbage.
Any game that needs to needlessly over-complicate itself so god damn much is crying for attention.
Simplicity is the starting step to perfection. VF ran the opposite way.
VF basically just tries to take anything from another game it likes, and ruins it by adding exactly 70 unnecessary layers to it.
Here's one brain storming session by the head honchos at Sega:
"Throw breaks, huh? This game has one break, but it's super fast. Interesting. Those games over there have 2 - 3 breaks, but give you a lot more time. Seems fair enough. After careful review, I've decided to give the game EIGHT throw breaks, and make them stupid fast. Also, lets throw in some zero-frame throws because I'm a faggot."
The real reason no one plays the damn game is because we can see that it's in love with its own dick.
No player who's top at VF is good at any other fighting game, since you need:
1. a lifelong devotion to thinking you're better than other people and
2. a Bachelors in "Nocens Venatio"
just to get the fucking game to start on your system.
LK LK LK is an ADVANCED COMBO. Just because you think the game should make it easy doesn't mean you're not an idiot.
Beginner, noob combo is MASH MASH MASH. Attacks will still come out. They wont CARE that LK LK LK LK LK isn't comboing, they are noobs. Noobs dont care about such fine details.
Oh, and VF is overrated garbage.
Any game that needs to needlessly over-complicate itself so god damn much is crying for attention.
Simplicity is the starting step to perfection. VF ran the opposite way.
VF basically just tries to take anything from another game it likes, and ruins it by adding exactly 70 unnecessary layers to it.
Here's one brain storming session by the head honchos at Sega:
"Throw breaks, huh? This game has one break, but it's super fast. Interesting. Those games over there have 2 - 3 breaks, but give you a lot more time. Seems fair enough. After careful review, I've decided to give the game EIGHT throw breaks, and make them stupid fast. Also, lets throw in some zero-frame throws because I'm a faggot."
The real reason no one plays the damn game is because we can see that it's in love with its own dick.
No player who's top at VF is good at any other fighting game, since you need:
1. a lifelong devotion to thinking you're better than other people and
2. a Bachelors in "Nocens Venatio"
just to get the fucking game to start on your system.
BlackDragon37
[12] Conqueror
You clearly don't have much of an idea of how VF works.
What looks like "70 unnecessary layers" is just simple stuff (apart from the throw breaks, in which case the reasoning behind them is legitimately justified). The only reason they look heard is because you are forced to look past its blandness to appreciate the system. No casual gamer would wanna do that. Yet they wouldn't be able to put their finger on it. So they blame the system's depth.
What looks like "70 unnecessary layers" is just simple stuff (apart from the throw breaks, in which case the reasoning behind them is legitimately justified). The only reason they look heard is because you are forced to look past its blandness to appreciate the system. No casual gamer would wanna do that. Yet they wouldn't be able to put their finger on it. So they blame the system's depth.
ChaCha
[10] Knight
Here we go again >_>
How about not liking VF because it's ugly, stiff, the animations are piss poor, the anatomy on the characters is horrible, when collision happens there is no bone crunching thuds, crumple stuns and sweet animations, it feels like paper dolls fighting??? Plus it's the ultimate hypocrisy, it claims to be all about super high level, complicated difficult set ups, but highest levels devolve into jabfest-throw set ups and repetitive moves that are just plain difficult to deal with. The game isn't nearly as balanced as most fighters on the market, ie. everyone in the game CAN'T win on high levels and the game is just boring and unappealing.
I think it's less about the game actually having a good engine and more about people with e-peens trying to justify why they suck at 'easy' fighters, and hide behind their VF because no one has any interest in that boring ass shit, so they can say they are good at it and it's "better" than the fighter you rape them in.
that's simply MY OPINION on the matter.
cha cha
How about not liking VF because it's ugly, stiff, the animations are piss poor, the anatomy on the characters is horrible, when collision happens there is no bone crunching thuds, crumple stuns and sweet animations, it feels like paper dolls fighting??? Plus it's the ultimate hypocrisy, it claims to be all about super high level, complicated difficult set ups, but highest levels devolve into jabfest-throw set ups and repetitive moves that are just plain difficult to deal with. The game isn't nearly as balanced as most fighters on the market, ie. everyone in the game CAN'T win on high levels and the game is just boring and unappealing.
I think it's less about the game actually having a good engine and more about people with e-peens trying to justify why they suck at 'easy' fighters, and hide behind their VF because no one has any interest in that boring ass shit, so they can say they are good at it and it's "better" than the fighter you rape them in.
that's simply MY OPINION on the matter.
cha cha
ShenYuan
[10] Knight
KDZ And Chacha: I agree with the parts about VF looking ugly.. but... no offense... some points raised were SEVERELY innaccurate. Its actually a pretty simple game. Its just very different (because its system doesnt make offense and defense feel as 'natural') from many fighting games so its natural to see it as overly complex.
VF set ups go beyond "jabfest-throw set ups and repetitive moves" at high level.
This game is also more well balanced than you think chacha. In version C, lions were winning tournaments, and even scored OCVs in SBO... A lion won the tournament. In fact one of the top 2 players in Japan during version C was a lion player. Lion was second last in the tierlist.
And KDZ. top players in VF are good at other games too. Among the top 10 ranked SF4 players in Japan, A good number are VF players: Fuudo, Itabashi Zangief, JOE.
My examples are very centred in japan because like it or not, VF is pretty much a Japan-only game. Competition in most parts of the world cannot match up to their standard. Hell, most of the international scene is already dead/dying thanks to R.
VF set ups go beyond "jabfest-throw set ups and repetitive moves" at high level.
This game is also more well balanced than you think chacha. In version C, lions were winning tournaments, and even scored OCVs in SBO... A lion won the tournament. In fact one of the top 2 players in Japan during version C was a lion player. Lion was second last in the tierlist.
And KDZ. top players in VF are good at other games too. Among the top 10 ranked SF4 players in Japan, A good number are VF players: Fuudo, Itabashi Zangief, JOE.
My examples are very centred in japan because like it or not, VF is pretty much a Japan-only game. Competition in most parts of the world cannot match up to their standard. Hell, most of the international scene is already dead/dying thanks to R.